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A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by chrisco255 »

loyukfai wrote: post #49
chrisco255 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see no evidence that Biden would be tough on China. He seems more likely to want to appease and try to profit from it than anything else.

Was responding to the OP that the "Trump administration who in 4 years totally managed to end the standing of the US on the world stage." Have heard that Biden would be soft on China/Xi because of his commercial interest, but I haven't done enough research to justify this viewpoint myself. It's kind of ironic for me, who identify both as a HKer and a Chinese, to hope that the world can get tougher on China, or Xi/PRC…

Aye, I respect your willingness to fight for China. I fear that it may be a lost cause but that's just from the outside looking in. The iron grip the CCP seems to have just looks like it's getting stronger. I hear that Britain will offer HKers citizenship in the UK. What are your thoughts on that?

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by champagneben »

NineStarPoint wrote: post #28
michaelborromeo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the world more or less understands that American politics oscillates between periods of conservative control and liberal control. I don’t think the world has forgotten about America’s massive military or its massive economy. To say Trump has “ended America’s standing” is extremely short sighted... Whether you like him or not, he has not changed in any material way the military or the economy or the political…

But what Trump represents to allies is not just an oscilating to conservative control. It represents the willingness of the american public to put someone in charge of foreign policy that has a complete disrespect for America’s allies, and a strong willingness to turn America more isolationist and less supportive of free trade. Ultimately, I don’t think Trump alone will really effect things long term though, no. If i…

When Germans elect a Chancellor who doesn't make sure that Germany meet their NATO commitments are they being disrespectful to their allies? I understand that the comment may come off a bit incendiary, but I'm genuinely asking.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by dkural »

sametmax wrote: post #11

Why does everything has to be a war with the US?

It's not. US tried to stay out of both World Wars, and was very cooperative with Stalin at the end of WWII. It was dragged into Vietnam by the French. North Korea attacked first. The wars in the Middle East after 9/11, you're right though.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by loyukfai »

chrisco255 wrote: post #51
loyukfai wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was responding to the OP that the "Trump administration who in 4 years totally managed to end the standing of the US on the world stage." Have heard that Biden would be soft on China/Xi because of his commercial interest, but I haven't done enough research to justify this viewpoint myself. It's kind of ironic for me, who identify both as a HKer and a Chinese, to hope that the world can get tougher on China, or Xi/PRC…

Aye, I respect your willingness to fight for China. I fear that it may be a lost cause but that's just from the outside looking in. The iron grip the CCP seems to have just looks like it's getting stronger. I hear that Britain will offer HKers citizenship in the UK. What are your thoughts on that?

If by "China" you mean Xi or PRC, no I'm not (willing to fight for them). Am just speaking on humanitarian terms I think, I support everyone's freedom in pursuing a better life and/or happiness without infringing someone else's rights, or, put in another way, I support or seek to defend people whose rights are being violated... something along that line.

As for the rumored UK offer, I guess that would be nice although personally I'm not keen on emigration. But if the situation keeps getting worse, who knows... Shall be thankful to the UK. OTOH it's going to be a problem for the UK on integration, if it comes true I hope HKers who leave for UK learn and do their best to contribute and integrate with the society... Also I'm concerned about the young people who're born after 1997 (the handover), they may not be qualified... Meanwhile, it seems Taiwan may accept political refugees from HK later.

FWIW, many many HKers were refugees or descendants of refugees to begin with.

Cheers.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by asjw »

shasheene wrote: post #5

Due to decades of Deng Xiaoping's One Child Policy, China is a slow motion demographic car crash that's impossible to stop. China will "get old before it gets rich", and the days of 6% growth aren't coming back. I recommend anyone interested in geopolitics and the world over the next 30 years to watch this lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvNT3vyzr0 It's the best overview of the future wealth and strength of…

Hans Rosling explained very well why advancements in National wealth leads to smaller families (less children per family) and longer lives

It's linked to becoming richer countries, which China has become

https://youtu.be/hVimVzgtD6w

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by asjw »

riffraff wrote: post #41
rudolph9 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Provided the article wasn’t exactly clear and I have no way of knowing exactly what the author meant; I think things like civil unrest can be thought of as a “crack”, the US 1st amendment almost encourages small cracks and they quickly get filled in and we move forward with things slightly adjusted (for better or worse). Although in many regards the process is still flawed, the ability for the us to peacefully transf…

But how is china's situation different from the Soviet experience?

In many ways.

For example being part of WTO and being a capitalistic state which mass produce goods and services for the whole World

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by asjw »

walterbell wrote: post #25
caseysoftware wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think China is going anywhere for at least a generation. If you dig into the collapse of most countries/empires/super powers, they collapse from either: - External pressures - foreign influence through military/conquering, investment, or mass immigration. With the exception of Taiwan, China has been effective in reducing or at least controlling all of those. And even that may be cracking where you see groups…

> It appears that under the policy, huge swathes of people just didn't report daughters being born. There's a generation of women who simply don't exist. How do they work/travel/pay without ID?

US and UK have no official national id system...

So I guess, in the same way people in US and UK do.

Also remember that illegal work is not uncommon in every western country as well

If you're paid cash, you pay in cash

If you live and work in a small rural village in continental China, where girls have been hidden and everybody knows it, who's coming to check if you have an id or not?

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by ijidak »

loyukfai wrote: post #49
chrisco255 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see no evidence that Biden would be tough on China. He seems more likely to want to appease and try to profit from it than anything else.

Was responding to the OP that the "Trump administration who in 4 years totally managed to end the standing of the US on the world stage." Have heard that Biden would be soft on China/Xi because of his commercial interest, but I haven't done enough research to justify this viewpoint myself. It's kind of ironic for me, who identify both as a HKer and a Chinese, to hope that the world can get tougher on China, or Xi/PRC…

This.

Complicated and difficult is absolutely the correct analysis.

No country really holds any monopoly on fairness and justice.

These debated often turn into... well this nation has this problem, and that nation has that problem.

But the bigger problem is there simply has never been a way to structure a government that fixes all its citizens problems.

Protests all over the world prove this.

How many of the world's countries haven't had major protests in the last 5 years covering some sort of injustice -- whether perceived or real?

Nevertheless, the below article may provide a glimmer of hope -- especially the paragraphs under the last sub-heading.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201307/is-protest-t...

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by gumby »

sametmax wrote: post #11

Why does everything has to be a war with the US?

I strongly agree. Whether you think China is butterflies and kittens (I do not) or unspeakably evil (I also do not) it seems like a so-called “war footing” is going to distort priorities and thus be less likely to achieve its goals than simply pushing back wherever the national interest (whatever that might be) Might require it.

Even with its current turmoil, the US is a far more resilient society and is more likely to prosper (and that is what prevailing or “victory” should mean) than China in its current configuration.

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