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Behind Irish outpouring of relief for Navajo

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Re: Behind Irish outpouring of relief for Navajo

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I read this -- very proud of the efforts of the Irish but proud also that they didn't forget those small acts of kindness. Showing gratitude is important and I think this shows gratitude for the solidarity shown in the past. We're also aware 'Choctaw' and 'Hopi' and 'Navajo' are all different tribes and Native Americans aren't a monolithic group. It's just hard if not nigh on impossible to give back to the exact peop…

The hundreds of Native American tribes of centuries past were as different from each other as they were different from European cultures. In fact the many different regions of Europe have always had much more in common with each other than the original tribes of North America had with each other.

Well, perhaps the commonality in this case is that both the Irish and the Native American tribes involved were oppressed by Anglo cultures.

Re: Behind Irish outpouring of relief for Navajo

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A more accurate portrayal of the situation is to say that Ireland of the time was a state whose economy depended on the export of premium food products - cattle, dairy & grain - whilst the majority of the population were subsistence tenant farmers who grew that produce in order to pay for their farm tenancies, whilst growing a side crop of potatoes in order to sustain themselves. When the potato blight occurred, they…

No, most of the landlords were of British descent. The rest were under control of the crown and the crown got their taxes. The upper classes, mainly British and some Irish systematically bled the vast majority of the people. >As they would have seen it, stopping the export of food stuffs would have caused economic collapse. They knew very well that it would have caused economic collapse only for the people in power w…

> No, most of the landlords were of British descent.

So landlords of British descent can't be considered Irish? Even if their families had been present in Ireland for several centuries?

> To say they could do nothing because

Excuse me, where did I say they couldn't do anything? I was only trying to put some context on the original comment, but it seems people are more interested in being outraged.

Re: Behind Irish outpouring of relief for Navajo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hundreds of Native American tribes of centuries past were as different from each other as they were different from European cultures. In fact the many different regions of Europe have always had much more in common with each other than the original tribes of North America had with each other.

Well, perhaps the commonality in this case is that both the Irish and the Native American tribes involved were oppressed by Anglo cultures.

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Re: Behind Irish outpouring of relief for Navajo

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, most of the landlords were of British descent. The rest were under control of the crown and the crown got their taxes. The upper classes, mainly British and some Irish systematically bled the vast majority of the people. >As they would have seen it, stopping the export of food stuffs would have caused economic collapse. They knew very well that it would have caused economic collapse only for the people in power w…

> No, most of the landlords were of British descent. So landlords of British descent can't be considered Irish? Even if their families had been present in Ireland for several centuries? > To say they could do nothing because Excuse me, where did I say they couldn't do anything? I was only trying to put some context on the original comment, but it seems people are more interested in being outraged.

> So landlords of British descent can't be considered Irish? Even if their families had been present in Ireland for several centuries?

There are people in 2020 whose families have been present in Ireland for several centuries who still do not consider themselves Irish.

They're called 'Unionists' and rather consider themselves British, and hold annual parades celebrating historical defeats of Ireland.

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