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New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by volkl48 »

whateveracct wrote: post #29
lm28469 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but can't help that They're fining (~$140) and detaining people who don't follow the rules in France. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3...

Doing that in the US is a Supreme Court case waiting to happen.

The Supreme Court (and other courts) have held mandatory quarantines to be legal, including of entire areas and not just persons known to be infected.

It would logically follow that if the quarantine is legal, penalties for violating it are also legal.

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Most of those cases are quite old, but they're still the ruling precedent on the topic as far as my (limited) knowledge goes.

For one that went to the Supreme Court in 1902 and continues to be cited:

Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compagnie_Francaise_de_Navigat...

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by jrockway »

tyingq wrote: post #39

Do they have a definition of what constitutes non-essential?

I watched the press conference and he said that they'd have a list later this afternoon. Food delivery is essential. One of the reporters asked if IT support (actually Best Buy's "Geek Squad") was essential, and he said he didn't know.

My impression is that "essential" is very liberal right now.

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by saiya-jin »

munificent wrote: post #23
ilamont wrote: post #6

There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Man, I hate this take. I get where it's coming from. In times of significant stress, it's important that we all pull together and do work to benefit society as a whole. And part of the way we incentivize that is by calling out people who don't do their part. I get it. But we are already inundated by outrage journalism, cancel culture, and public shaming. The last thing we need is more of that. We've already got enoug…

Man, I can tell you the amount of ignorance still prevalent out there. Not in some bushwhack undeveloped middle of nowhere, but in the biggest cities in Switzerland. So many people just don't give a nanofraction of a fuck. If you ignore those, things will get worse, much much much worse than they should.

Just a look at China now, and then on Italy. Seriously, what.the.fuck

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

Whut wrote: post #44

I feel like we should just do this nation wide.

USA is huge, and the virus is hitting different areas with different intensities. Its spread is heavily impacted by population density and rates of random social encounters. A Nationwide lockdown might make sense if the goal was to snuff the infection out, but as of now the goal is to lower the peak of the curve. If you lock down too early, you extend the infection to a length of time that makes the lockdown impossible.

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by jrockway »

lainga wrote: post #41
rdruxn wrote: post #25

Why are the subways still open? Seems like low hanging fruit to close those.

On an interesting corollary, knowing what dangerously little I know about the MTA and its unions, are drivers griping about disease exposure? The NY subway is fairly labour-intensive as mass transit systems go...

I think the workers are going to be fine. The drivers and conductors have compartments. Station attendants have booths. The subway unions had to deal with the near-constant crime of the 70s and 80s, and didn't really want their workers out interacting with the general public. That turns out to be helpful in this case.

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Post by vehementi »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #55
Whut wrote: post #44

I feel like we should just do this nation wide.

USA is huge, and the virus is hitting different areas with different intensities. Its spread is heavily impacted by population density and rates of random social encounters. A Nationwide lockdown might make sense if the goal was to snuff the infection out, but as of now the goal is to lower the peak of the curve. If you lock down too early, you extend the infection to a length of time that makes the lockdown impossib…

> If you lock down too early, you extend the infection to a length of time that makes the lockdown impossible.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by docbrown »

stronglikedan wrote: post #47
jakear wrote: post #32

So that’s CA and NY both with shelter in place. Strange that WA hasn’t implemented it yet.

This seems to be a reaction to people not doing it on their own sufficiently enough, like what happened in Italy. Perhaps Washingtonians are taking the recommendations more seriously, so they don't require an official mandate. That decision can't be a light one, and I don't envy those that have to make it.

There is no law enforcement action being taken for the NY or CA order. They’re relying on “social-pressure” to keep people inside.

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by CydeWeys »

40four wrote: post #49
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The side effects of exponential growth. It changes minds quickly.

I think the growth is a result of a focused effort to ramp up testing. Meanwhile if we are to have any confidence in the numbers (we probably shouldn't), according to the John's Hopkins counts, New York state currently has a surprisingly low CFR. 38 deaths / 5715 cases = 0.7% CFR

Most of those cases happened recently enough for the people not to have died from them yet.
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