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Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by iknownadaalot »

andreagrandi wrote: post #37
iknownadaalot wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And by that, I mean I got that same email. And I definitely live in the US. Please cite sources of them actually moving [your] data to Google LLC and or US.

What do you mean by "source" ? I haven't "heard" this story somewhere on Internet. I did receive the email where they say they are going to move my data controller to US.

Again I am really dumb, so I don't know how to check if my data has been moved to a US controller. Also, I got the same email (multiple times, thanks Google), and I live in the US.

Example: some_command -> where your data is stored at. I don't know how to verify that information.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by jacquesm »

They were doing the same thing with the data of citizens of Ireland. Google is flirting with a massive fine here, in spite of all their PR efforts in and around Brussels. Have you seen Brussels airport lately? It is wall-to-wall 'Google is pro privacy' PR.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by IAmEveryone »

There is obviously some ambiguity in the rules when people move around, and misclassifications can happen when, say, a Brasilian working for a US company in Switzerland picks up the neighbouring French wireless signal to log into their Asian VPN.

But it's really a non-issue. Google will make a good effort reducing such errors, and there aren't going to be legal consequences, nor wild leaving-Europe-for-good-drama as envisioned by some in this threat.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by dathinab »

inkeddeveloper wrote: post #17
madeofpalk wrote: post #3

> I'm an Italian citizen, living in Italy [...] and I'm fully entitled to GDPR protection and to have my data owned by a European data controller. I don't think the latter part is true. AFAIK GDPR does not give you the right do have your data owned or processed by an EU entity. GDPR does not say that. It doesn't matter where your data is stored or processed, Google must still follow GDPR rules for data about EU resid…

I think it is the reverse, although I may have misunderstood your statement. GDPR applies to the entity controlling the data, not the resident. So Google LLC is subject to GDPR. Further, an EU citizen is entitled to use Google LLC and by providing services to an EU citizen, Google LLC has to abide by GDPR. So, my understanding is that Google may move an EU citizen's data to a US company as long as the US entity abide…

That is if Google LLC is able to comply with GDPR in the USA, i.e. if there is no US law contradicting GDPR. I think I have heard there is a law which falls under this category ...

EDIT: also if they believe you are a UK citizen they won't act GDPR compliant.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by kick »

diggan wrote: post #15
kick wrote: post #5

I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…

> If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result What? What kind of exaggeration is this? You think people died before Google existed or if you don't use Google? There are plenty of alternatives and even if not, how do you reach the conclusion that people will die if there is no Google in EU? Also, I don't think either Google or the EU _need_ the other. Obviously EU has a incentive to co…

>What? What kind of exaggeration is this? You think people died before Google existed or if you don't use Google? There are plenty of alternatives and even if not, how do you reach the conclusion that people will die if there is no Google in EU?

Google accounts for a substantial amount of EU electronic mail accounts, infrastructure (including infrastructure that involves medical devices), so on: Google shutting down would interrupt essential services.

Someone else made a good comment on it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22416208

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by andreagrandi »

three_seagrass wrote: post #21
andreagrandi wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read the article? Entirely? If yes, can you please tell me since when ITALY is not part of EU? Thanks

Have you VPN'd into the UK or had activity there recently? It says on your website that you worked in London. This email is likely a courtesy notification because you had activity in the UK, a UK billing address, or something that put you there, meaning if you have activity there again, the controller will be different. What this email does not mean is that your Italy based activity is going to a different controller…

Even the article says I lived in UK/London, it's not a secret, but remains the fact I'm not a UK citizen :/ If US or EU would be the same, why mentioning brexit?

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by iknownadaalot »

andreagrandi wrote: post #45
drcursor wrote: post #13

Is there a way to find out where my google account is hosted ?

That's a good question. I tried to edit my details to check if there is a country to set but there isn't.

+1 on this question. Google has become a mire of EULA's and opacity, so getting data from THE data company is now nigh on to impossible.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by jacquesm »

kick wrote: post #5

I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…

> I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google.

It is this sort of reasoning that will get Google slapped around. The whole idea that some corporation's interests or might trumps that of a continent with 300+ million people and a very substantial part of the world economy and Google's income is, frankly, ridiculous.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by andreagrandi »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #53

There is obviously some ambiguity in the rules when people move around, and misclassifications can happen when, say, a Brasilian working for a US company in Switzerland picks up the neighbouring French wireless signal to log into their Asian VPN. But it's really a non-issue. Google will make a good effort reducing such errors, and there aren't going to be legal consequences, nor wild leaving-Europe-for-good-drama as…

We all know that mistakes can happen. That is not the issue. The issue here is that there is no way to contact them and ask to fix this. I tried at least 3 or 4 times to contact them on Twitter (they are replying to other people for other issues, why not replying to me?) but I didn't have any luck with it.
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