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After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

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Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

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Don't get your hopes up, Uber drivers will still find a way to block the bike lanes.

And the cops. And the firefighters parking outside the fire station. And when a car does hit a bike and NYPD shows up... well... https://twitter.com/joemewler/status/1177042296900071425

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#52

Where do bike deaths happen in New York? On streets when riding straight, or in intersections? (On both, of course, but what is the distribution?)

I don't have any numbers, but my impression is that it's mostly turns, although there's also a big problem with people getting "doored" (which would easily be solved by putting bike lanes between parking lanes and sidewalks, instead of between parking lanes and automobile lanes). I was surprised to learn that left turns account for "more than twice as many serious injuries and fatalities as right turns." https://www1…

I signal turns with my arm when biking, especially left turns. Otherwise I would be slowing and moving unpredictably, which doesn't seem safe. Unfortunately this isn't common behavior in NYC - even cars often fail to signal their turns, let alone cyclists.

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#53

> The dangers came into focus this year after 25 cyclists were killed on city streets — the highest toll in two decades. The "highest toll in two decades" gives some context, but I wish writers would share ratio metrics rather than absolute numbers in cases like this. I.e. the number of active cyclists on the road might be outpacing the deaths, but we don't know when you just say "25 cyclists were killed in 2019." Al…

And I wish they also tell us how many accidents do bikers cause themselves as they are notorious for not following any traffic rules - thereby endangering the live of others.

You're being down-voted for the tone of your post I think. But I think it's an interesting point. If there is evidence that US bikers have a culture that does not following traffic laws that can and should seriously impact policy decisions. It's possible some of the great suggestions here that work well in other cities wouldn't work in the US for this or any dozen of other reasons.

Not saying that there for is such a culture, only that it is certainly a popular complaint, and if there is truth for it we should factor that into our decisions.

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#54

Don't get your hopes up, Uber drivers will still find a way to block the bike lanes.

And the cops. And the firefighters parking outside the fire station. And when a car does hit a bike and NYPD shows up... well... https://twitter.com/joemewler/status/1177042296900071425

Is the tagged @nytrafficpolice official? It’s suspended.

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#55

> The dangers came into focus this year after 25 cyclists were killed on city streets — the highest toll in two decades. The "highest toll in two decades" gives some context, but I wish writers would share ratio metrics rather than absolute numbers in cases like this. I.e. the number of active cyclists on the road might be outpacing the deaths, but we don't know when you just say "25 cyclists were killed in 2019." Al…

And I wish they also tell us how many accidents do bikers cause themselves as they are notorious for not following any traffic rules - thereby endangering the live of others.

I'll take 100 cyclists gliding through a red over a single motorist doing the same. While not literally impossible to kill someone else by using a bike wrong, it's orders of magnitude less likely than with a car.

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#57

This is big time for America. If our biggest city can’t show leadership on pedestrian and bicyclist safety, we can’t expect any other city to as well. New York is really lagging behind where it should be. Despite being by far the biggest American city, it is overrun with cars. Protected bike lanes, street improvements to make crossing the street safer, and dedicated bus lanes will improve the city for all New Yorkers…

How popular is biking in New York - eg, do people bike in the winter?

"How popular is biking in New York"

You can have a sense of it by checking with Google Maps street view on different places in Manhattan. It seems that there are way more cars and pedestrians than bike riders in most places.

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#58

It's insane that a large part of our public infrastructure is reserved for free private car storage. It's important that these lanes are protected because without barriers the bike lanes would become obstructed by parked cars.

The biggest offenders are actually cops and delivery vehicles, both of which are legally allowed to park wherever they want (the latter due to contracts with the city).

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#59

This is big time for America. If our biggest city can’t show leadership on pedestrian and bicyclist safety, we can’t expect any other city to as well. New York is really lagging behind where it should be. Despite being by far the biggest American city, it is overrun with cars. Protected bike lanes, street improvements to make crossing the street safer, and dedicated bus lanes will improve the city for all New Yorkers…

I commute on my bike in NYC daily and I am far more terrified of pedestrians and other cyclists than I am of cars. Cars for the most part pay attention and obey traffic rules. Cyclists less so and pedestrians ignore rules entirely and frequently aren't even aware of cyclists.

Re: After Spike in Deaths, New York to Get 250 Miles of Protected Bike Lanes

#60

> The dangers came into focus this year after 25 cyclists were killed on city streets — the highest toll in two decades. The "highest toll in two decades" gives some context, but I wish writers would share ratio metrics rather than absolute numbers in cases like this. I.e. the number of active cyclists on the road might be outpacing the deaths, but we don't know when you just say "25 cyclists were killed in 2019." Al…

And I wish they also tell us how many accidents do bikers cause themselves as they are notorious for not following any traffic rules - thereby endangering the live of others.

A better pespective: people are people. They aren't drivers or bikers but just people. And the same person is a driver on one day and a biker on another.

Guess what, drivers are also notorious for not following traffic rules -- not using blinkers, not stopping fully at a stop sign, driving above speed limits, running a light after it's already turned red -- thereby endangering the lives of others.

It's not about whose fault things are -- it's just people being people. It's about designing a system and incentives that saves lives overall (driver's licenses, bike lanes, speed limits, ticketing, etc.).

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