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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by black_puppydog »

heyflyguy wrote: post #25

This is the first time, and maybe it's just because of the length of the interview; that I've noticed Snowden's being slightly untethered from sensibility. The first 10 minutes in particular was a little worrisome. I imagine that being stuck in Russia, with the pressure he's under has contributed to this. I do wonder how much of this personality bubble was in place when he made the decisions he did. Nevertheless, I d…

could you clarify what you mean by "untethered from sensibility"? you make it sound like he's losing it, when really it sounds pretty coherent and his (Edward's) usual content/style. The first few minutes sound like cold opening, so I'd expect them to be more loose. I don't usually watch the JRE though.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by johnmorrison »

claudeganon wrote: post #38
johnmorrison wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should see JRE#917, Steven doesn't really care about the whole marijuana issue and Joe completely bullies and flames him for like thirty minutes. That one was not well-reasoned or patient, but other than that, I've found almost all of Joe's podcasts to be very good. He's definitely one of the greatest interviewers on the planet right now.

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by ur-whale »

claudeganon wrote: post #38
johnmorrison wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should see JRE#917, Steven doesn't really care about the whole marijuana issue and Joe completely bullies and flames him for like thirty minutes. That one was not well-reasoned or patient, but other than that, I've found almost all of Joe's podcasts to be very good. He's definitely one of the greatest interviewers on the planet right now.

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Where does Crowder come in at all in this conversation?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by eswat »

sdan wrote: post #11
ekianjo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For 2 its not like he had a choice to do it in person...

Right. Only other scenario that would work is for Joe to fly over there... which probably wouldn't happen. Regardless, Joe's getting so many good interviews in the past two years.

> Only other scenario that would work is for Joe to fly over there... which probably wouldn't happen.

I wouldn’t want to see a Sean Penn/El Chapo incident[0] happen with these two.

[0] https://theintercept.com/2016/01/12/sean-penn-el-chapo-opsec...

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by waffle_ss »

anonu wrote: post #14
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

Joe is a master interviewer for the reasons you mention. I'd also add he has broad interests in almost any topic and subject matter, which helps. Another technique he employs is "listening". There are many times when I want to butt in when listening to his podcasts. But Joe just waits and let's the other person speak and soaks it in. There are of course the interviews which are actually him being interviewed (he does…

Joe is not a master interviewer. Compare him to someone who does a lot of research ahead of time and comes prepared with thought-provoking questions, and can keep pace with the deep conversations, like say a Tim Ferriss.

Joe does little research on most guests (mostly due to the sheer volume of guests I'm sure), which could be a more stylistic choice if he were a deft interviewer who could think on his feet and dig deep anyway, but he's not. He's an everyman and asks very surface-level questions. As you say guests are (usually) given wide latitude to own the mic, which works great when it's a guest with a compelling narrative. It works terribly when the guest is very ideological or has some sort of agenda they are adept at selling.

The times he does challenge a guest (sometimes way too aggressively as others in the thread have shown), oftentimes he has missed the point entirely, and the guest has to back up and try to patch the conversation. Once that happens a couple times the flow of the interview is really disturbed and it takes a long time to recover.

I like Joe as a person, and admire his discipline, but to call him a master interviewer would be as accurate as calling him a master comedian because he has been grinding so long.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by teddyh »

ekianjo wrote: post #34
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

> talking-head punditry available on the major news networks That's also because most news networks don't have the luxury (or the willingness) to do 2 hours interviews with a single person in the first place. They need to make things short so they can drown you with ads at every break.

A.k.a. “concision”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concision_(media_studies)

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by claudeganon »

senorjazz wrote: post #44
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

> I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, Then you cannot listen to many. Joe speaks so much bollox with an authoritative air that if you didn't know the subject you would think that Joe did, when many many times he clearly does not. I agree they are interesting when he lets the guest speak (even if completely disagree with them) or it is on something Joe does know about / has researched. But that is f…

Yeah, I’ve noticed he likes to do this around issues I imagine are red meat for his audience (e.g. the rights of trans people). It really detracts from what are otherwise decent interviews.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

ur-whale wrote: post #53
claudeganon wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Where does Crowder come in at all in this conversation?

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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by greggman2 »

tambourine_man wrote: post #45
andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

I think it depends on your field of expertise. When he interviews people from tech, it’s usually cringeworthy for me. And very entertaining in fields I know little of.

This kind of issue makes me think I should believe all most nothing. When I know the topic and then know how wrong they got it then I assume that the same is true for all the experts in other topics. I suppose I only have a sample of 1, the topic I know, but I have zero samples of the opposite where some expert tells me "they totally got it correct"

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by heyflyguy »

hnarn wrote: post #41
heyflyguy wrote: post #25

This is the first time, and maybe it's just because of the length of the interview; that I've noticed Snowden's being slightly untethered from sensibility. The first 10 minutes in particular was a little worrisome. I imagine that being stuck in Russia, with the pressure he's under has contributed to this. I do wonder how much of this personality bubble was in place when he made the decisions he did. Nevertheless, I d…

Out of curiosity, what about the things he did do you "hate"?

Love - revealed to us that our constitutional rights were being absolutely trampled to death.

Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments.

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