The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

Post by goatinaboat » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:37 PM UTC

mraison wrote: post #44

goatinaboat wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you're looking at overall CO2 emissions rather than per-capita emissions. I’m looking at the page I linked. Per-capita is basically irrelevant, the issue is the total emissions under the control of any one government. Or should China not act until they match the US per-capita but with 3-4x the population? Further the US and European trends are already downwards. China’s is dramatically upwards.

> the issue is the total emissions under the control of any one government Total emissions definitely matter (no need to give speeches in Palau even if per-capita emissions are much greater than in the USA), but considering this number without regard to the population size is completely unrealistic and insensitive. For China's overall emissions to get to the same level as the USA, that means a Chinese citizen would b…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:49 PM UTC

goatinaboat wrote: post #51

mraison wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the issue is the total emissions under the control of any one government Total emissions definitely matter (no need to give speeches in Palau even if per-capita emissions are much greater than in the USA), but considering this number without regard to the population size is completely unrealistic and insensitive. For China's overall emissions to get to the same level as the USA, that means a Chinese citizen would b…

insensitive The ecosystem doesn’t actually care whose feelings are hurt, you know. It’s a weird argument to make. China is the single largest emitter of CO2, plastic waste in the oceans, etc etc. Yet we expect them to do nothing about it until 2030 at the earliest, but just stay on their upward trend. Which is about the same time as the ecosystem collapses entirely according to AOC. But we mustn’t be “insensitive” ab…

Post by Miner49er » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

Tenoke wrote: post #48

peter303 wrote: post #7

I will see Greta in Denver Friday afternoon at a climate rally. She is young and a voice of her generation. Many future possibilities for her and repairing the climate crisis. I respect the Nobels decision to award the prize to this peace broker. So many global issues that need attention.

I am not denouncing her work in ecology activism, but in what way has she contributed to Peace specifically, except for second-order effects?

Post by dominotw » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 2:10 PM UTC

the_duke wrote: post #28

input_sh wrote: post #9

Well, this is a much less controversial choice compared to the Nobel Prize in Literature 2019.

From a global perspective, awarding two European writers yet again is just a failure. From a purely literary perspective, Handke is a great and influential writer, who was a hot candidate for a long time. For his work, I think the award is justified. On a personal level, his ex-wife accused him of physical abuse, he held a eulogy for a war criminal, was known for cursing and berating his audience, ... If he still sho…

Post by niyikiza » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

fmajid wrote: post #10

Congratulations to PM Abiy on this exceedingly deserved award. Quite frankly, I was surprised it had not been awarded to him last year.