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Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by hashberry »

Hamuko wrote: post #38
Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

> I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. Do you have a list of names?

> Malena Ernman and actor Svante Thunberg ... her "fame-seeking", "stage-parents", particularly her "fading opera starlet mother" who performed internationally, were "pimp(ing) her out" without regard for Thunberg's alleged mental problems, which included Lowe's long list of disabilities, by which Greta and her sister were claimed to be handicapped. By so doing, Lowe wrote, they were subjecting her to "child abuse."[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg#Criticism_and_r...

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by securingsincity »

sunseb wrote: post #40
monkeynotes wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because the subject attacks the fundamental instinct to procreate. How do you tell a couple that they legally can't have children? Many of my friends define their lives around having a family, it gives people a deep, and rewarding purpose.

You are right and I must say it's ok to have kids in the US or in Europa (because population growth is declining here), but I am talking about Africa or South Asia, as they are having more and more kids there, and all these kids end up living in extreme poverty and having no hope for the future. For example, each year, Nigeria has 6 millions more people to feed (Nigerian women have an average of 5.5 children).

Most of the world is having only 2 kids per family. The most consistent way to reduce the number of children per family is to increase the income of that family.

https://www.gapminder.org/answers/will-saving-poor-children-...

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_x$domain...

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Mikeb85 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #44
Mikeb85 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India isn't going to be uninhabitable tomorrow. They're not even on the equator. It's doubtful it'll ever be uninhabitable and if it does happen, it won't be overnight nor within this century.

The news seems to disagree: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/international/are-parts-of...

A reactionary news piece on a local site called 'Click Orlando', who'd have thought?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by r00fus »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

> It's not like the earth is on fire right now.

Sure. Fires in the arctic are normal things [1]. 100+ degree summers in Germany and France are totes the norm. [2].

Reality has a climate-crisis bias.

> In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been.

This is a false dichotomy - that improved worldwide living conditions don't indicate a looming climate crisis. It could be argued that it all gets better until it starts falling apart rapidly.

[1] http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190822-why-is-the-arctic-o... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2019_European_heat_wave

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by whydoyoucare »

thelazydogsback wrote: post #17
whydoyoucare wrote: post #13

Was her message to (failing to) act imply actual technical steps and commitment to reduce certain variables in certain years or increase taxes? I am confused here. sarcasm And yes, of course, global warming is the biggest existential threat to humanity. Poverty, hunger, addiction, homelessness, open defecation, and other trivial issues aren't really the ones Governments' should prioritize, it should be protecting hum…

> Poverty, hunger, addiction, homelessness Most of which get worse w/climate change

Any reliable references indicating a causal effect? Thanks.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by papermachete »

Tepix wrote: post #2

I had the same reaction when the German government revealed their insufficient measures as part of the "Klimapaket" (climate pact) last Friday. Scientists are recommending a tax of 180€ per ton of CO2 to achieve the necessary reduction in emissions. The German coalition government decides to introduce a 10€ CO2 tax. How dare they ?

This doesn't apply to regular citizens, right?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by papermachete »

wrnr wrote: post #20

There was a post on HN a week ago that was agreeing with some statements Greta made about climate change, it has flagged and removed. I don't always agree with everything she says but found little objectionable about the article. Strange that it was taken down, it seems like HN does not respect any opinion unless it was mined by a block of cryptocurrency enthusiasts.

Considering a climate change spokesperson has nothing to do with technology on a technology-oriented forum.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by etrautmann »

monkeynotes wrote: post #27
sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

Probably because the subject attacks the fundamental instinct to procreate. How do you tell a couple that they legally can't have children? Many of my friends define their lives around having a family, it gives people a deep, and rewarding purpose.

The deep and rewarding purpose necessarily must be separated from the carrying capacity of the world. There are plenty of families with 12+ kids, but this clearly isn't something that would be possible to sustain for all couples.

This is a fundamental tragedy of the commons. I feel guilty about even wanting to have two kids at some point due to the climate impact. Everywhere I look I see people having large families without caring. This has to be balanced long term for our species (and others) to survive centuries from now.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Isinlor »

sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

Because there is no world overpopulation. People talk about overpopulation since ancient times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation#History_o...

Currently standard of living are growing almost all over the world and human population is predicted to pick and stabilize at around 11 billion.

I really recommend "DON'T PANIC — Hans Rosling showing the facts about population" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

What's also interesting in his video is the fact that people tend to be very misinformed about state of the world affairs. E.g. when asked questions about certain statistics, they do worse than random. And the better educated you are the more misinformed you may be.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by papermachete »

Hamuko wrote: post #28
fromthestart wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's interesting to see how some factions are now claiming that Greta is merely a puppet, following some hidden power's agenda Please. She's a 16 year old child with no evidence of any particularly exemplary understanding of climate change or its impact on the world. She clearly has support from people with deep pockets, and the fact that they've chosen an approximately average child to deliver this message shows th…

Oh no, a 16-year-old child with a basic understanding of climate change. This must be the work of the fucking Freemasons!

Why listen to a child, specifically, and not the scientists themselves? Unless it is another attempt to portrey kids as the symbol of purity and truth.
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