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Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by IshKebab » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Yeah I'm sure Canada will welcome a billion people moving from India without any issues.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

qnsi wrote: post #24

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Do you believe mass migration from whole world to Canada Russia Greenland and Antarctica would work out without war?

Well it's not going to happen in our lifetime (half those places are still covered in ice), and if it does happen, will do so gradually, and based on the world becoming more and more peaceful over the centuries I believe yes, it probably can happen without war.

A couple centuries ago there were wars all over Europe, Asia, Africa, in the US alone the Revolutionary war and Civil war, wars with the Spanish, natives, etc...

Yes, I think over the timeframe where global warming will actually force true mass migration (if we don't reverse it first), it'll probably be peaceful.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by monkeynotes » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

thelazydogsback wrote: post #26

sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

Agreed. At some point we have to realize that as a species we don't all have the "right" to reproduce as much as we want. Technically the earth together with technology should be able to support quite a bit more population, but given that we're not willing to make any sacrifices in the behavior of the living, limiting growth until we do is the other option. But telling someone they can't make babies is the only thing…

At least telling people not to drive big cars and consume leaves increasingly more people feeling good about themselves.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Hamuko » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #2

I had the same reaction when the German government revealed their insufficient measures as part of the "Klimapaket" (climate pact) last Friday. Scientists are recommending a tax of 180€ per ton of CO2 to achieve the necessary reduction in emissions. The German coalition government decides to introduce a 10€ CO2 tax. How dare they ?

How do you prevent populists from gaining power and reducing it to 0€?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by AlexandrB » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:52 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Mostly likely scenario: all-out war for resource or land.

> Or maybe everyone will simply move to Canada, Russia, Greenland and Antarctica.

So, which country is going to invade Canada to force them to allow in all these migrants? Or do you think they'll just do it willingly when people were screaming about 10,000 Syrian refugees? At the rate that global warming is progressing, there's no time for this kind of massive re-settlement without equally massive geopolitical upheaval.

> Either the Earth's systems will adapt...

I mean - duh - of course they will. The danger is not that global warming wipes out life on earth. It's that it sends human civilization back to the Stone Age or wipes it out completely (if Stone Age technology doesn't allow for survival). The idea that there's a technological solution assumes that we can manufacture and power such a thing without using even more fossils fuels to do so. I'm not convinced.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Tepix » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:53 PM UTC

wrnr wrote: post #20

There was a post on HN a week ago that was agreeing with some statements Greta made about climate change, it has flagged and removed. I don't always agree with everything she says but found little objectionable about the article. Strange that it was taken down, it seems like HN does not respect any opinion unless it was mined by a block of cryptocurrency enthusiasts.

This post is now also flagged.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Tepix » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:56 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

You argue that climate change is "normal". However, the rate at which it is happening is the problem. And moving the entire population "to Canada, Russia, Greenland and Antarctica" doesn't seem desirable. So we need to fight climate change to minimize it.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Hamuko » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:57 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

>I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood.

Do you have a list of names?

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:57 PM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #31

Mikeb85 wrote: post #12

I think the people who have coerced her into being a propaganda piece are the ones who have stolen her childhood. It's not like the earth is on fire right now. In fact, living conditions are better than they ever have been. There's more food security worldwide than at any point in human history. Less war than ever. Less poverty than ever before. Yes, climate change will cause issues. Then again, the last glacial maxi…

Yeah I'm sure Canada will welcome a billion people moving from India without any issues.

India isn't going to be uninhabitable tomorrow. They're not even on the equator. It's doubtful it'll ever be uninhabitable and if it does happen, it won't be overnight nor within this century.

Re: Greta Thunberg: 'How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood'

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Post by sunseb » Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 4:57 PM UTC

monkeynotes wrote: post #27

sunseb wrote: post #15

Just a quick question: why Greta is not talking about world overpopulation? I think it's a huge problem. The more we are on this planet, the more mess we make. And by the way, it's too easy to shame western countries to be the root of all evil in this world.

Probably because the subject attacks the fundamental instinct to procreate. How do you tell a couple that they legally can't have children? Many of my friends define their lives around having a family, it gives people a deep, and rewarding purpose.

You are right and I must say it's ok to have kids in the US or in Europa (because population growth is declining here), but I am talking about Africa or South Asia, as they are having more and more kids there, and all these kids end up living in extreme poverty and having no hope for the future. For example, each year, Nigeria has 6 millions more people to feed (Nigerian women have an average of 5.5 children).