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Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by LyndsySimon »

troquerre wrote: post #28
danShumway wrote: post #9

The article and Namebase faq go into some details, but just so I understand, what are the practical effects of this beyond decentralization? - If I buy a TLD, will I own it in perpetuity, even after I die? - If we're encouraging people to register their own TLDs, won't we run into the same limited-name/squatter problems as normal domains? I get that names are being released at a trickle, but that seems like it would…

I work at Namebase.The other comments address most of your questions, but just to add on: the 52 week rollout will help significantly with preventing squatters. Handshake has designed some other mechanisms that prevent squatting. The first is that the Alexa top 100k domains have been pre-registered (only facebook.com can register .facebook on Handshake). This ensures that existing domain stakeholders can transition t…

> If you have over 15 followers on GitHub, you can claim around $400-800 of Handshake coins (HNS) with no strings attached.

How will one go about this? I'm interested, if only for the purpose of claiming a few domains that I have a personal interest in.

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by LyndsySimon »

mugsie wrote: post #25
StavrosK wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this middlebrow dismissal? Like, I get that you don't want to have to "mine a token" if "mining a token" means "waiting half an hour", but if it means "waiting 100ms or paying $0.00001", I'd take that tradeoff to own my DNS.

I wouldn't - it means that I am reliant on a blockchain transaction clearing, and as the chain gets bigger, that time has potential to increase. etherium was really quick and cheap when it launched, and it is not now ...

> as the chain gets bigger, that time has potential to increase

I don't see how this follows at all.

The slowing transaction incorporation times for major cryptocurrencies is related to transaction volume, not to the total size of the chain to date. Presumably a system restricted to updated HNS entries would not encounter anywhere near the same transaction volume.

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by rcoveson »

mugsie wrote: post #43
justinmchase wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you first have to figure out who to put in jail for contempt and in order to ban it you'll have to take down the entire block chain. I'm not totally sure how this one works but with ENS there are key holders that theoretically have the ability to do operations on any entry but it takes a certain number of them to all coordinate and agree.

Right, so you threaten all of them with jail until they hand over the keys to a US Court to continue to do the takedowns for copyright enforcement / ISIS website / scam site pretending to be Amazon / the new Silk Road / $reason. We have seen this before, where people who run these services are personally held in contempt until they comply with the order.

This is exactly the reason that peer-to-peer services never work. Tor, BitTorrent, cryptocurrency: Failures, all. Each of their users threatened individually by US law enforcement until the service died.

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by LyndsySimon »

mugsie wrote: post #43
justinmchase wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you first have to figure out who to put in jail for contempt and in order to ban it you'll have to take down the entire block chain. I'm not totally sure how this one works but with ENS there are key holders that theoretically have the ability to do operations on any entry but it takes a certain number of them to all coordinate and agree.

Right, so you threaten all of them with jail until they hand over the keys to a US Court to continue to do the takedowns for copyright enforcement / ISIS website / scam site pretending to be Amazon / the new Silk Road / $reason. We have seen this before, where people who run these services are personally held in contempt until they comply with the order.

There are no "people who run these services" in the case of blockchain name resolution, though. There is (usually) a single person who possesses the private key necessary to update the records for a domain - if they find out who that is, they're welcome to use legal compulsion to force them to act.

* I say "usually" because more complex permissions schemes are possible with Bitcoin Script. m-of-n in particular I could see being very useful; it could allow individuals to update some parts of the record but not all - for instance, make it mathematically impossible to abandon the domain or move where it's pointed, but still possible to update contact information.

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by SkyMarshal »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #51
troquerre wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work at Namebase.The other comments address most of your questions, but just to add on: the 52 week rollout will help significantly with preventing squatters. Handshake has designed some other mechanisms that prevent squatting. The first is that the Alexa top 100k domains have been pre-registered (only facebook.com can register .facebook on Handshake). This ensures that existing domain stakeholders can transition t…

> If you have over 15 followers on GitHub, you can claim around $400-800 of Handshake coins (HNS) with no strings attached. How will one go about this? I'm interested, if only for the purpose of claiming a few domains that I have a personal interest in.

Go to https://handshake.org/ and click the top link under Developer Airdrop.

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by SkyMarshal »

linsomniac wrote: post #4

Namecoin seemed like an interesting idea for decentralized registration, has it gone anywhere in the years I haven't been following it?

Not really. One problem is most of the good names got taken by squatters right out of the gate, like hundreds of thousands of them - irl trademarks, all the nouns in the dictionary bought by one guy, etc. Mainstream business will never adopt it for that reason, so its growth is inherently capped and most crypto natives ignore it.

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by YCuN4M00v33odS »

troquerre wrote: post #30

As an FYI for HN, many of y'all are probably eligible for $400-800 of Handshake coins (HNS). Handshake is airdropping coins to open-source developers to incentivize them to check out the project. If you have over 15 followers on GitHub you can use this tool to claim coins. This is a no-strings-attached giveaway so if you want to you can also sell your coins but it'd be worth it to bid on your name before you do. You…

Where do I get this bech32 address?

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by concert-gilled »

jude- wrote: post #13
deweller wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > While DNS is already fairly decentralized, the centralization exists because of ICANN’s gatekeeper control .... ICANN ultimately has control over what internet names are acceptable – and serves as a singular point of failure.

Nothing stops you or anyone from running your own DNS root. The "hard part" of making a global DNS deployment operational isn't developing the technology; it's getting everyone to agree on all the particulars of the deployment.

> Nothing stops you or anyone from running your own DNS root

That is what this is doing.

> Handshake is a decentralized, permissionless naming protocol compatible with DNS where every peer is validating and in charge of managing the root zone with the goal of creating an alternative to existing Certificate Authorities. Its purpose is not to replace the DNS protocol, but to replace the root zone file and the root servers with a public commons.

- https://handshake.org/

Re: Decentralized DNS with the Handshake Naming System

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Post by troquerre »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #51
troquerre wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work at Namebase.The other comments address most of your questions, but just to add on: the 52 week rollout will help significantly with preventing squatters. Handshake has designed some other mechanisms that prevent squatting. The first is that the Alexa top 100k domains have been pre-registered (only facebook.com can register .facebook on Handshake). This ensures that existing domain stakeholders can transition t…

> If you have over 15 followers on GitHub, you can claim around $400-800 of Handshake coins (HNS) with no strings attached. How will one go about this? I'm interested, if only for the purpose of claiming a few domains that I have a personal interest in.

You can use https://github.com/handshake-org/hs-airdrop to claim your coins on the testnet. You’ll have to repeat the process once the mainnet launches.

If you want an easier way to claim and use your coins I can also add you to our private beta for Namebase.io. Just ping me at tieshun at namebase.io.

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