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Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. As much as I respect gwern, I think here they’re underestimating the importance of the human aspects like national pride.

Especially following WWII, in which Denmark offered no resistance.

Why should Danes have resisted in WW2?

Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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The author compares Greenland to Puerto Rico, seeming to make the assumption that if somebody made a good offer, America would happily sell Puerto Rico. Can any other Americans speak to the truth of this? It seems absurd to me that a country would happily sell off a territory and make a whole bunch of citizens non-citizens just for the financial benefit. Are Puerto Ricans not Americans? Do americans really view Puert…

A lot of Americans would offer money for someone to take Puerto Rico off out hands.

Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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The author compares Greenland to Puerto Rico, seeming to make the assumption that if somebody made a good offer, America would happily sell Puerto Rico. Can any other Americans speak to the truth of this? It seems absurd to me that a country would happily sell off a territory and make a whole bunch of citizens non-citizens just for the financial benefit. Are Puerto Ricans not Americans? Do americans really view Puert…

Pretty sure that China would make an offer for Puerto Rico if they thought they could get it.

Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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It's not just that your math is ridiculous (as you acknowledge), it doesn't make any sense. Greenland has almost no economy, a mere $2.7b in GDP, and few assets. You can't use negative $22 trillion as the basis with the US while ignoring the $110 trillion in household wealth and massive corporate & government assets (stacked against $50t-$55t in total debt between household + corporate + government). That's the part…

But if someone find diamond in the dark side of the moon, would you sell USA or just al to evil communist for money. Would you sell your homeland?

>But if someone find diamond in the dark side of the moon, would you sell USA or just al to evil communist for money.

>Would you sell your homeland?

What does it mean for the USA to be my homeland? My family has been here for centuries but the government is working more for "new Americans" than those of us who built the country. In that sense my homeland has been given away without my consent.

Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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This got me thinking about "things that were once okay but today are totally unpalatable." In this case, selling land occupied by citizens. Could you imagine if there was a decision to sell part of Michigan that included Detroit to Canada?

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Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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Wild idea: I think we should turn Greenland into an into a new frontier nation with completely open borders for refugees and people who are up for the challenge of settling a new place. Sure, there's nothing there, but if you want to build something and there's nowhere else for you, have at it. EDIT: Out of curiosity, I started looking at Greenland on Google Maps and found this sweet shadow of the buggy they used to…

Kanger has the largest road network in Greenland. I once got to go on the road to the ice edge, which was a wonderful experience. The ice near the edge is so dirty you don't immediately realize you've transitioned from dirt to ice.

Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alaska is much warmer. Only a few sheltered coastal bays on Greenland can sustain any trees at all. Meanwhile, Sitka and Ketchikan often enjoy snowless winters. This is due, I believe, to the Aleutian ridge blocking the transport of cold water from the Arctic (contrast with the Labrador current).

Don't you think using two points along the narrow strip of land at the southwestern tip of Alaska as indicative of the overall Alaskan climate is just a wee bit dishonest?

They are apparently the 4th and 5th largest cities in the state, so not a terrible example [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Alaska

Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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National territory has a psychological and strategic value that cannot be bought and sold. Countries have gone to war over infinitesimally tiny pieces of land (Gaza, Falklands, Northern Ireland)... we do not need to look to a crystal ball to see why Denmark holds onto a gigantic landmass like Greenland.

Agreed. Greenland is 836,300 mi², while Denmark is 16,577 mi². Imagine the effects of climate change in 200+ years - Greenland could be VERY valuable and important then.

The issue is that if Greenland was valuable, Denmark wouldn't be able to hold it.

Re: Why Didn’t Denmark Sell Greenland?

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National territory has a psychological and strategic value that cannot be bought and sold. Countries have gone to war over infinitesimally tiny pieces of land (Gaza, Falklands, Northern Ireland)... we do not need to look to a crystal ball to see why Denmark holds onto a gigantic landmass like Greenland.

Yeah. As much as I respect gwern, I think here they’re underestimating the importance of the human aspects like national pride.

Yes, if the people identify as Danish you can’t just change the flag and expect them to be Americans. When I went to the Falklands it was very clear that it didn’t matter how badly Argentina wanted the islands. Even if Argentina managed to conquer the islands militarily the islanders had decided they were British and that was that.
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