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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

jammygit wrote: post #20
userbinator wrote: post #7

What's next, cracking and reverse-engineering? Debugging? (Anti-authoritarian) programming ? As usual, Stallman tends to be quite prescient: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html (perhaps more like "right to watch" in this context.)

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

I thought at first that he was a pompous ass who was out of touch and mostly wrong.

And slowly, I noticed that he was still a pompous ass, but he was right. And longer I observe, I notice that he wasn't wrong, but ahead of the curve. And instead of being an ass, he was calling these issues out before they reared their ugly heads... but lo and behold they did eventually.

That's why I'm a proud member of the FSF.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by toofy »

quotemstr wrote: post #11

This ever-increasing censorship is the inevitable result of buying into the idea that speech can be "harmful" and that big tech companies have some kind of "responsibility" to remove it.

> ...buying into the idea that speech can be “harmful”..

Speech can’t be both so powerful we must protect it at all costs and simultaneously harmless.

I understand that it is incredibly important to protect free-speech but to imply it has no impact is disingenuous. We fight for it because it has power not because it is powerless.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by atemerev »

Razengan wrote: post #35

Every news about authoritarian overreach prompts some discussion about the need for decentralization. Yet, decentralization of services is moot if the underlying physical connectivity layer can still be controlled/filtered from a single point. Then there's the matter of discovering decentralized/distributed services. We have literally billions of devices capable of sending and receiving signals, including millions of…

Regarding content and video distribution, we already have a working decentralized platform: BitTorrent. We even have clients allowing searching and previewing videos from torrents (PopcornTime and the like). The infrastructure is already there, the only barriers are psychological at this point.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by User23 »

jammygit wrote: post #20
userbinator wrote: post #7

What's next, cracking and reverse-engineering? Debugging? (Anti-authoritarian) programming ? As usual, Stallman tends to be quite prescient: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html (perhaps more like "right to watch" in this context.)

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

He is literally a genius.

The question you should be asking yourself is “why do I have to take freedom away from others to earn a living?”

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

celdon25 wrote: post #47

I'm on the fence about this. Script kiddies have always been the proverbial joke, but if you ask me, this category of hackers collectively is a bigger problem for the average person. They usually can't do much damage individually, but when you have so many of them that know how to cause even a minimal amount of mayhem and distraction for others, that adds up as a burden to society. I also have no respect for hackers…

Disagree. I found the channel to be useful and educational. For example, I knew people could crack WiFi passwords but never actually understood how until I watched null byte videos. Now I can be more vigilant about protecting my WiFi. I really hate these generalizations about these wannabe hackers being kids playing League. I’m 33 and I would venture a lot of people watching those vids have legitimate interest in exploring the ethical hacker profession. You may not get the proper education nor exposure but it’s a start. Also I feel like mischief is part of adolescence that’s required to develop interest in a more serious pursuit. As a kid I did plenty of this type of “hacking“ but on a more basic level. This in turn made me more fascinated about how things work, got me into game exploiting, which lead to virtual sales, e-commerce and ultimately a decent paying job.

I’m not happy that today’s society wants to monitor and deter everything. It leaves no room for exploration, growth, mistakes and learning.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by atemerev »

bpicolo wrote: post #34
mastazi wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discoverability is the issue. I wish there was an established way to discover content regardless of the platform it’s hosted on.

Google search, reddit, HN, social media of various sorts? There's a ton of discoverability out there. Youtube is not the only path

Google search is, well, controlled by Google. Just like Youtube. Social media is also ridden with content policies and censorship (Reddit is among the better, but they are still centralized, and Reddit search is a joke).

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

quotemstr wrote: post #11

This ever-increasing censorship is the inevitable result of buying into the idea that speech can be "harmful" and that big tech companies have some kind of "responsibility" to remove it.

Tell that to the surviving members of families who died at the hand of isis who do their recruiting on Facebook of all places.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by realusername »

no-like-no-sub wrote: post #37
stcredzero wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overbearing youtube, 10 years from now if it's still a medium it may be a far-cry from an expressive and genuine platform Yahoo's not the place it was in its heyday. Facebook's not the place it was in its heyday. Even Google's not the place it was 10 years ago. I don't think anyone is immune. The best you can do it to make sure the trajectory is positive. Netflix isn't the place it used to be. I think that's positive…

>"Be sure to hit that like button and subscribe!" When I hear this standard YouTuber meme, I always trip hard over the dislike button and never quite make it to subscribe. :^)

They have to say it because otherwise people don't subscribe. I know some youtubers who never did it hut had to resort to saying it because their subscriber numbers where stagnating otherwise.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by pizzazzaro »

jammygit wrote: post #20
userbinator wrote: post #7

What's next, cracking and reverse-engineering? Debugging? (Anti-authoritarian) programming ? As usual, Stallman tends to be quite prescient: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html (perhaps more like "right to watch" in this context.)

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

Honestly? Take the mentality you see in the world - the bottom line comes first, the consumer wants easy consumption, security comes first, whatever else - and try to imagine where that comes in conflict with the things you love. What would have caused that conflict? What, if anything, do you see coming out of it?

And if you think Stallman was the tinfoil-hat prophet, you gotta hear about this guy Karl Marx. He predicted the economic turmoil of automation back when the US had a war over "States' Rights" to choose whether Slavery was Legal.

I predict that the US will slide further and Further into being a 3rd world nation, until suddenly, another collapse happens. US citizens wont break right away... No, they'll suffer it for a while. They'll even go hungry for a while - and I'm not talking about Detroit or Chi-raq. Im talking Seattle, Houston, NYC looking like the Rust belt, complete with bridge collapses and deaths-via-crumbling infrastructure.

China's upcoming divorce from the US markets will insulate them from the crash, but their involvement in our real estate market will only worsen the crisis for Americans. Russia, China, and the Eurozone will finally band together with their currency-basket idea upstaging the dollar. And Americans will still think we're special.

Then, when the Hoovervilles have swollen enough to be dangerous, someone will have the bright idea to mobilize and radicalize us. Still, we'll do nothing, even in the absence of Netflix and Cable TV. But that wont stop the government from trying to herd us into camps, just like the immigrants... And in those, with the forced absence of soap, sleep, food..., something will snap, and the guillotine will be reborn in fire and fury.

The Climate Change problem? Will get so bad it starts on Xenocide before anyone does anything effective - the sole exception being economic collapse. And we're going to have to shoot a few CEOs for the rest of them to take any of it seriously.

Everything from human trafficking to drug use is going to boom.

You know slavery - just barely behind propaganda, it was the second biggest influence on modern management practices. Psychology just taught us how to sugar coat it better.

Speaking of Propaganda, 1984 aint got shit on 2019. And 2030 is gonna make today look adorable.

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