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Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by rahuldottech »

kpU8efre7r wrote: post #23
jammygit wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

He is technically correct, idealistic, and uncompromising. Unfortunately that doesn't really work in the real world unless your name is Richard Stallman. It's not pragmatic. I ignore him.

I don't ignore him. There's a lot to be learnt from what he says.

You may think it's too idealistic or uncompromising, but his predictions have been proven repeatedly.

You should learn from him, not outright ignore him.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by mastazi »

oceanstone wrote: post #16

> Yesterday, Youtube froze Kody Kinzie's longrunning Cyber Weapons Lab channel Did his channel get unbanned? Kody's website links to this active channel with its first video uploaded in Oct 2017: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgTNupxATBfWmfehv21ym-g edit: Yep looks like the ban was a mistake ️ > In a subsequent comment, a YouTube spokesperson confirmed to The Verge that Cyber Weapons Lab’s channel was flagged by m…

It is not just this isolated case. Youtube changed their terms and conditions in such a way that affects all educational content related to infosec, more info in the other HN thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20346865

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Post by bpicolo »

mastazi wrote: post #28
xwdv wrote: post #10

Has everyone forgotten that you can easily just host your own website and throw up whatever video content you want there? I can’t imagine creating a ton of educational content and then having it all depend on the whims of a single platform. This is not the end of infosec or hacking videos.

Discoverability is the issue. I wish there was an established way to discover content regardless of the platform it’s hosted on.

Google search, reddit, HN, social media of various sorts? There's a ton of discoverability out there. Youtube is not the only path

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by Razengan »

Every news about authoritarian overreach prompts some discussion about the need for decentralization.

Yet, decentralization of services is moot if the underlying physical connectivity layer can still be controlled/filtered from a single point. Then there's the matter of discovering decentralized/distributed services.

We have literally billions of devices capable of sending and receiving signals, including millions of independent computing devices that are powered 24/7. Do we really need centralized entities to keep our species connected?

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by omeid2 »

kpU8efre7r wrote: post #23
jammygit wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always think he’s mostly right, but a little too uncompromising, but then everything he says comes true. I don’t know how he predicted so far ahead at the time, it’s humbling. As a software author working at startups, am I part of the problem? I don’t understand how to make a good living without locking down the code to some extent, with few exceptions (it’s hard to found red hat)

He is technically correct, idealistic, and uncompromising. Unfortunately that doesn't really work in the real world unless your name is Richard Stallman. It's not pragmatic. I ignore him.

You can ignore him but the reality that he has been impressively predicting won't ignore you. It will come for you, just a matter of time, if you keep ignoring it.

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by no-like-no-sub »

stcredzero wrote: post #5
aiscapehumanity wrote: post #2

Overbearing youtube, 10 years from now if it's still a medium it may be a far-cry from an expressive and genuine platform (Even worse-so than it is now). How long until biohacking, and other things are blocked based on the same sensitivity triggers for the topic?

Overbearing youtube, 10 years from now if it's still a medium it may be a far-cry from an expressive and genuine platform Yahoo's not the place it was in its heyday. Facebook's not the place it was in its heyday. Even Google's not the place it was 10 years ago. I don't think anyone is immune. The best you can do it to make sure the trajectory is positive. Netflix isn't the place it used to be. I think that's positive…

>"Be sure to hit that like button and subscribe!"

When I hear this standard YouTuber meme, I always trip hard over the dislike button and never quite make it to subscribe. :^)

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by ssalka »

izacus wrote: post #24
userbinator wrote: post #7

What's next, cracking and reverse-engineering? Debugging? (Anti-authoritarian) programming ? As usual, Stallman tends to be quite prescient: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html (perhaps more like "right to watch" in this context.)

Cracking and reverse-engineering DRM is already illegal with the accepted US laws, so it's not far fetched for YouTube to be forced to remove those videos as well.

No one here mentioned DRM, though that would be a valid subset of videos to delist under this new rule.

What if I want to reverse engineer my toaster, and make a video about it?

Re: YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube

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Post by oceanstone »

mastazi wrote: post #32
oceanstone wrote: post #16

> Yesterday, Youtube froze Kody Kinzie's longrunning Cyber Weapons Lab channel Did his channel get unbanned? Kody's website links to this active channel with its first video uploaded in Oct 2017: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgTNupxATBfWmfehv21ym-g edit: Yep looks like the ban was a mistake ️ > In a subsequent comment, a YouTube spokesperson confirmed to The Verge that Cyber Weapons Lab’s channel was flagged by m…

It is not just this isolated case. Youtube changed their terms and conditions in such a way that affects all educational content related to infosec, more info in the other HN thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20346865

Speaking personally (obv) that's scary and if they don't change the ToS I can imagine reviewers will keep making similar mistakes
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