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Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #38

Insanity. If only her name could be published. People like that deserve to face consequences for their actions.

Dude, you created your account 12 hours ago and only posted in this thread. Who do you think you are fooling?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#52

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should we be aggressively encouraging men to take up nursing?

Sure, go for it. But I know a male nurse and he's never experienced anything remotely like what a lot of women I know in tech experience so it's not the equal thought you might think it is.

I know a male nurse, and he's constantly getting jibes from patients about being gay. He's not, but that's kind of beside the point; the point is that there do exist stereotypes about male nurses that need to be addressed.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#53
post #34

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That was my takeaway - she's doing to him exactly what he allowed other people to do to her. He's finding that he doesn't like it.

Did we read the same article? He turned her speaker position down because of her pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior. She acted completely in line with what her reputation would suggest and pursued a personal harassment campaign. Maybe I'm missing something. Can you enumerate what he allowed people to do to her, and what she did to him? That way we can compare directly.

He never said exactly why he turned her down.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.

That's mealy-mouthed prevarication, and does not match the actual actions taken under the claim of that philosophy. There is a difference between proactive nurturing and proactive suppression and condemnation.

>That's mealy-mouthed prevarication, and does not match the actual actions taken under the claim of that philosophy. There is a difference between proactive nurturing and proactive suppression and condemnation.

I'm not following what that text means. Can you elaborate?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.

should we be aggressively encouraging men to take up nursing?

Sure. It's a very good line of work.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/why-are-there-so-few-men-in-nur...

https://nurse.org/articles/Male-Nurses-And-The-Profession/

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#56
post #23

I am glad this was written without naming the people involved. Although I see nothing wrong with naming names in situations like this (see below) the lack of specific names meant I could focus on the experiences (as related by the poster) rather than having the specific people colour my opinion. The reason I think specifying people by name would have been OK is that 1 - they were presumably an issue for a number of a…

> I see nothing wrong with naming names

As he is pursuing legal options, I’m guessing his counsel told him not to.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#57

I'm a big fan of "unbalancedparen". He's a great guy; smart and considerate. I think the Industry has invited this sort of bad behavior by rewarding Cry Bullies at conferences. People act enititled and they're not willing to put up with speakers who they may have political or philosophical problems with. Similarly, speakers are expecting privileged treatment too, like the spurned speaker in this blog posting. When th…

In the example ... there appear to be no "Cry Bullies" or similar action.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#58
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was my takeaway - she's doing to him exactly what he allowed other people to do to her. He's finding that he doesn't like it.

Did we read the same article? He turned her speaker position down because of her pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior. She acted completely in line with what her reputation would suggest and pursued a personal harassment campaign. Maybe I'm missing something. Can you enumerate what he allowed people to do to her, and what she did to him? That way we can compare directly.

> alleged pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.

Why do you think its right to fix the imbalance - what do you accomplish by it? Are you going to fix the imbalance everywhere you see it?

Yes. Aren't you?

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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I'm a big fan of "unbalancedparen". He's a great guy; smart and considerate. I think the Industry has invited this sort of bad behavior by rewarding Cry Bullies at conferences. People act enititled and they're not willing to put up with speakers who they may have political or philosophical problems with. Similarly, speakers are expecting privileged treatment too, like the spurned speaker in this blog posting. When th…

This is a much stronger take. Bad actors from all parties at many conferences - hosts, speakers, and attendees - are making these situations into powder kegs: opportunities for interested groups to cause large scale disruptions to forward their own causes and override the actual theme and utility of the conferences themselves.
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