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Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

#51
First of all: This is not about "banning" Huawei in USA. Huawei is not in the US. It is about preventing the rest of the world in using Huawei.

The Trump administration has spent the last year or so trying to convince allies not to use Huawei and apparently has failed to do so. So now it does this.

Trump seems to think he can win an election on China; this may be the case. However doing so will probably hurt the longterm interest of the US.

Forcing millions of European Huawei users away from Google services is neither in the business interest of Google nor does it benefit the intelligence gathering capabilities of the US.

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

#52

Maybe not yet, but it surely gives them the capability to spy later on. My country, Vietnam, also banned Huawei equipment[1], and I don't believe it's pure paranoia. China has been taking every chances to spy on us, from illegally buy houses near Da Nang airport[2] (nearest airbase to Paracels) to 'tourists' walking near the Ministry of Defence to Advanced Persistent Threat targeting petroleum or maritime corporation…

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Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>in the US, there are checks and balances and freedoms so that somebody has recourse. All these things are absent in China. If the government really wants you they'll take you. And no amount of thoughts, prayers or picketing will free you. We've seen examples of that in our generation, the last 20 years only when we've had a massive information network available. Imagine all the nameless poor sods who have disappeare…

I'm not naive about the limitations of the freedoms that are afforded to a citizen by the US government, or my government for that matter. We should have more freedoms and say into our government, and it should be more fair. But here's the main point: It's a hell of a lot better than in China. Freedom and checks and balances are always on a spectrum. You're arguing that because there are limitations to your freedom,…

There are differences at lower levels, but not when it comes to you getting the attention of a state-level actor.

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"there are checks and balances and freedoms" you are so full of child like innocence, I envy you

There is no need to be so condescending.

That was the kindest way of saying it.

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>in the US, there are checks and balances and freedoms so that somebody has recourse. All these things are absent in China. If the government really wants you they'll take you. And no amount of thoughts, prayers or picketing will free you. We've seen examples of that in our generation, the last 20 years only when we've had a massive information network available. Imagine all the nameless poor sods who have disappeare…

I'm not naive about the limitations of the freedoms that are afforded to a citizen by the US government, or my government for that matter. We should have more freedoms and say into our government, and it should be more fair. But here's the main point: It's a hell of a lot better than in China. Freedom and checks and balances are always on a spectrum. You're arguing that because there are limitations to your freedom,…

>It's a hell of a lot better than in China.

How do you measure that? I mean what are you comparing? Media reporting? In my opinion you shouldn't even be able to trust internet media reporting on this matter.

For example I think most of us saw the viral video a few weeks ago of a young chinese woman being taken from her apartment. She had left her cellphone recording while police detained her for no apparent reason.

But if we take that as an example. What do we really know? All we really know is what is shown in that video.

It's hard for the video to lie.

Other than that we have no idea who released the video online or made sure it was spread onto western social media. Because as we do know, most of Asia are living in a bubble with their own social media and search engines.

So with that in mind, an organisation could cherry pick information from such social media to spread on western media in order to manufacture consent.

Imagine the roles reverse. A video of a young black male being detained for no reason, have dogs bite him, have officers beat him, released onto asian social media sites with no real context.

I personally think it's much easier to assume that people are people in all parts of the world. Power corrupts in every country. And absolute power corrupts absolutely, regardless of religion, skin tone or cultural background. We're not that different.

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

#56

One point that I'm missing, is that the government of China can legally force any of their companies to start spying. And there would be no way that we would know. Then often the argument becomes: But the US are already spying on us, so it's not too bad. Which is fair, but in the US, there are checks and balances and freedoms so that somebody has recourse. All these things are absent in China. So the question is one…

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Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"there are checks and balances and freedoms" you are so full of child like innocence, I envy you

Come on, the fact the Trump wasn’t able to achieve much of what he wanted (and even start those initiatives properly) confirms that. A country with less powerful social institutes would be in a worse shape.

So against a claim of child like innocence your response is to mention the Bogeyman?

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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post #12

I hope Huawei make a fully open source and hack-able mobile phone. I think that would sell like crazy on the western market where everyone hates Google, and ride the news wave and turn it around into their favor.

You won’t get an open source baseband ever trough certification.

Does that matter for Huawei?

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

#59
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I hope Huawei make a fully open source and hack-able mobile phone. I think that would sell like crazy on the western market where everyone hates Google, and ride the news wave and turn it around into their favor.

People don’t hate Google as much as you want to believe, people love Google Search/Maps/Gmail and everyone who wanted “a fully open source phone” could install MicroG for a long time already.

Google is very different in the age of "gmail ain't done 'til firefox won't run"...

Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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The alternative is relying on US tech. While I get the point that Huawei could be spying on us later on, the US is the one nation we know is spying on us. All tech we use these days can be used for spying. The whole Huawei craze is just the U.S. realizing that they are no longer the only power to fear.

The US spying is subject to a strained but ultimately effective legal and constitutional system. There is no comparison between the US government's transgressions, and the Chinese government's complete unrestricted impunity to spy and infiltrate.

Constitution doesn't protect me if I'm not a citizen. For example US can tapped the phone of Angela Merkel.
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