EU's Tusk warns of risks in rise of U.S. tech giants
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#52Maybe the EU and European countries could've fostered an environment where tech companies could've been successful as well?
Wolfson. Olivetti. The EU fosters an environment where tech companies can be successful and then they're crushed by American market dominance because murica.
USA completely owns this.
Just look at what the Silicon Valley media-integrated marketing machine can do. A complete fraud with unsubstantiated promises like Theranos raised 700M with a 10B valuation. Even though they had nothing, their visions became practically an established fact in world wide media, driven by articles like the one in Wired in 2014 ("This Woman Invented a Way to Run 30 Lab Tests on Only One Drop of Blood").
Europe needs to learn to "overpromise and underdeliver" as well. And they need an integrated way to push the message of shiny new stuff to blue-eyed technology media to amplify it into people's consciousness.
I don't mean to create frauds like Theranos. I mean to say (for example) you will drone deliver on-demand customized popsicles made on the orbit of Mars five years from now, and then end up mailing customized ice cream made in Denmark instead.
People might find the greatest product in the world organically, eventually, by getting fed up with the alternatives, but in the meanwhile those banging the drum the most may just end up cornering the market.
I don't think the biggest problem is about salaries or luring in venture capital or the nature of legislation or density of microbreweries within a square kilometer or something like that. I think it is simply about marketing. (And this is not to say that other things play no role whatsoever)
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#53EU officials are totally helping things with Article 13 and Co.
For reference, _his party_ was pushing Article 13 in EU Parliament. September 12 everyone from PO voted for censorship: Michał Boni (PO) Jerzy Buzek (PO) Danuta Hübner (PO) Danuta Jazłowiecka (PO) Agnieszka Kozłowska-Rajewicz (PO) Barbara Kudrycka (PO) Janusz Lewandowski (PO) Elżbieta Łukacjiewska (PO) Jan Olbrycht (PO) Julia Pitera (PO) Marek Plura (PO) Dariusz Rosati (PO) Adam Szejnfeld (PO) Róża Thun Und Hohenstei…
https://saveyourinternet.eu/pl/
Could you let me know where you have this information from?
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Venture capital and socialism (+overgrown, multi-level bureaucracies in the EU's case) can't really coexist. Nor can $200K+ US salaries coexist with $70K EU salaries for software engineers. So I wish Tusk good luck dealing with this one.
god the pay cut is so real :( .. hopefully the experience makes up for it, temporarily
Of course you can validate those things differently, but only looking on salary tells little.
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#55"The European Union has been in the forefront of efforts to tighten control on how social media companies handle the personal data of consumers" Yeah, that's why.
That is really total rubbish. How could 1-2 year old regulations go back 30+ years to stifle the European "tech scene"? By the way, there is other technology than that which is used to sell advertising on the internet.
It's worth remembering that Silicon Valley got started way back in the 50s with Shockley's transistors. Then Microsoft in the 80s and Amazon, Google in the 1990s.
What was going on in Europe during these times?
For most of the 20th century continental Europe was a hotbed of dictators and extremists. The first half was dominated by two world wars that flattened everything. The second half saw dictatorships across all of eastern Europe that kept it impoverished, there were dictatorships in Spain and Greece and significant political instability and corruption for decades in Italy.
Britain, which came out of WW2 the strongest having been on the winning side, was nonetheless totally wrecked and worse still, the population concluded that the government must be pretty good at things due both to the victory and years of news suppression which prevented people learning about government errors (e.g. Exercise Tiger). So Britain became strongly socialist and remained that way until Thatcher in the 80s. The economic destruction this socialist environment wrecked was extreme enough that the UK had to go to the IMF for a bailout and was suffering things like electricity shortages during the worst periods of the 1970s. It was a place where even established businesses struggled to survive, so the idea of a startup culture or creating advanced tech firms was totally absurd - the government had given up even attempting to fix things and unions under the control of Marxists were practically shadow governments in and of themselves.
In other words, if you look at the time that the USA was establishing startups like Intel that'd become huge tech firms, which then spawned generations of technically skilled VCs, Europe was mostly either actual communist dictatorships or so hard left that the idea of creating dynamic new businesses was a pipe dream. There was no environment in which to create the generations of successful entrepreneurs that America benefits from.
Interestingly, Germany did much better than Britain during this time because - having had their faith in government wisdom destroyed by the Nazis - Germany deregulated and experienced much better economic growth, despite having been cleaved in half by the Soviets. This sowed the seeds of German economic strength dominating the Euro today.
Things only really changed for most of Europe in the 1990s with the fall of the USSR, reunification of Germany and Thatcher's reforms having turned around the UK. But then Europe collectively decided that the right path into the future was to slowly merge together under a vast centralised bureaucracy centred in Brussels, one which had its roots in the Ventotene Manifesto, a document written by communists in the 40s. Remarkably, the EU to this day still has never really shaken a vague sense that communism was roughly in the right area. Its ultra-powerful unaccountable Commission President (Juncker) routinely makes statements like "when it gets serious, you have to lie" and he travelled to the birthplace of Karl Marx where he defended Marx's legacy:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/karl-marx-jea...
The EU has historically often had former communists in its most senior positions and does things in ways that are reminiscent of the USSR (e.g. a Parliament that can't actually overrule the unelected parts of the government). No surprise that it takes an ambivalent view of business, especially successful American business, and largely defines itself as a defender of The People against Capital.
Combined with no culture of granting equity and we have today's situation.
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#56A similar case can be made for Chinese tech companies, many of whom are actively complicit in human rights violations [1] [2]. Yet EU countries like Italy have no qualms about supporting the geopolitical aims of China, inevitably strengthening the position of the Chinese tech companies. Which should come to no surprise given their close ties to the communist party [3] [4]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/…
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#57I'd be worried more by Chinese companies. At least you can sue US companies. You can't do the same with Chinese ones.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is really total rubbish. How could 1-2 year old regulations go back 30+ years to stifle the European "tech scene"? By the way, there is other technology than that which is used to sell advertising on the internet.
It's a long standing and complex trend. It's worth remembering that Silicon Valley got started way back in the 50s with Shockley's transistors. Then Microsoft in the 80s and Amazon, Google in the 1990s. What was going on in Europe during these times? For most of the 20th century continental Europe was a hotbed of dictators and extremists. The first half was dominated by two world wars that flattened everything. The s…
What about Japan's rise from a bombed out, defeated nation to a G7 economic power and world leader in electronics and automotives in the same time period?
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is really total rubbish. How could 1-2 year old regulations go back 30+ years to stifle the European "tech scene"? By the way, there is other technology than that which is used to sell advertising on the internet.
It's a long standing and complex trend. It's worth remembering that Silicon Valley got started way back in the 50s with Shockley's transistors. Then Microsoft in the 80s and Amazon, Google in the 1990s. What was going on in Europe during these times? For most of the 20th century continental Europe was a hotbed of dictators and extremists. The first half was dominated by two world wars that flattened everything. The s…
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, America's existing taxi system was also awful. The fact that the only way to improve upon the situation required a series of criminal conspiracies and attempts to obstruct justice that were never properly punished reflects very poorly on the country.
You're aware of the Taxi lobby and borderline criminal interests and practices surrounding Taxi medallions right? Not to mention that if you were black or lived in under-resourced areas, good luck getting a Taxi to stop for you or go where you need to go. > The fact that the only way to improve upon the situation required a series of criminal conspiracies and attempts to obstruct justice that were never properly puni…
> Yes, America's existing taxi system was also awful.