It's a sign from above that you should respect the valid vote for "leave".
The leave campaign was illegally funded. If the referendum was not advisory it would have had to have been re-run. So how is it valid?
UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
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Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
When this stage of leaving is complete and discussion turns to the future relationship, I expect the EU will replace article 50 with something fit for purpose. Article 50 itself is very short and doesn’t explain any ifs and buts of the process. The courts had to interpret it a few times to determine things like how revocation works, how can extensions happen, etc.
Indeed, Article 50 is flawed in many areas. One big flaw I raised with the EU authorita's in 2015 was that it has no provision for displaced nationals. I raised that several times, serveral MEP's from many countries, Tusk, you name it. The response - nada, nothing, zilch and even too this day, not one single MEP or eurocrat has bothered to fix that glaring flaw that sees and allows innocent nationals to be used as ne…
Ironically, the EU itself is unable to fix it. The contract has to be amended by the member state governments. The MEPs are powerless on this.
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#53The chance to "petition" was before the vote happened in 2016.
You've made your bed, time to sleep in it.
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#54These petitions are almost always met with a boilerplate response. There was a recent one (which I can't find as the site's currently down) regarding Russian interference in the last UK election, with the government response being along the lines of "we don't know what you're talking about, move on". More on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/b2vmm0/gover... While the huge number of signings o…
> The sheer stubbornness of Theresa May's position
What do you mean? To me, it seems she's tried pretty much everything, but the parliament voted down most of the proposals...
Edit: I have nothing but respect for her. She's literally the only person in the wide political spectrum in the UK that's willing to actually deal with this like a sensible adult, and she's been eating a ton of shit for it, barely complaining at all. She sacrificed a lot, her political career is completely over, and for no real result, because she was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#55One of the developers tweeted last night "...nowhere near crashing the site - you all need to try harder tomorrow" https://twitter.com/pixeltrix/status/1108518184301268995
How do you know that's one of the developers?
I thought the same thing - the company the person is CTO of builds the petitions website if you click through the link in their bio and then into their projects page
https://unboxed.co/product-stories/petitions/
e: This came out worded as if I was disproving, I'm agreeing with the grandparent comment and showing my working
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#56Petitions for Brexit are completely pointless. We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay, so unless that petition has more than 33 million signatures then it doesn't prove much does it. (FYI: I voted remain and think Brexit is completely dumb, but it doesn't change how pointless petitions are for subjects where it's well established what people's opinions are)
> [...]so unless that petition has more than 33 million signatures then it doesn't prove much does it[...] It's not going to prove much even then. As a test I just signed this with a fake name, all you need is an E-Mail address and to enter some valid UK post code. Anyone who's paying any attention to some Internet petition that's implemented like this is crazy. In some other European countries there's online petitio…
Are you sure they don't check the electoral roll behind the scenes?
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#57These petitions are almost always met with a boilerplate response. There was a recent one (which I can't find as the site's currently down) regarding Russian interference in the last UK election, with the government response being along the lines of "we don't know what you're talking about, move on". More on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/b2vmm0/gover... While the huge number of signings o…
I don't really understand how Paris has real protests almost every weekend, yet we're leaving the EU and we've just had a few marches. Marches do nothing, they're preplanned to cause minimal disruption, just make the people in them feel like they're doing something so that it doesn't go further than that. The march on Saturday needs to at least move off the preplanned route and actually cause some inconvenience.
You don't want french protest culture, IMO. There are some good things about it and specific protests can achieve good results, but it adds up to a very stasis oriented bureaucracy/policy ecosystem. It also gives populists a hand.
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#58let me know when they get to 17.4 million signatures.
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone does not vote, when there was ample opportunity to do so, then they implicitly are accepting the outcome - whichever way it goes. This actually should read "Brexit - The will of the 17m + 50m who are okay with this" This would have read the same if the result had gone the other way: "Remain - The will of the Xm + 50m who are okay with this" At the end of the day, there was a vote and more people wanted Bre…
Well, it's more like "The will of the 17.4M + 13M who were okay with it", with the other 21.5M unable to vote due to immigration status, age, failure to register, or other reasons.
If it had gone the other way, all these points would have been exactly the same - why would it be any more/less acceptable (from a democratic process point of view)?
Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit
#60These petitions are almost always met with a boilerplate response. There was a recent one (which I can't find as the site's currently down) regarding Russian interference in the last UK election, with the government response being along the lines of "we don't know what you're talking about, move on". More on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/b2vmm0/gover... While the huge number of signings o…
> The sheer stubbornness of Theresa May's position What do you mean? To me, it seems she's tried pretty much everything, but the parliament voted down most of the proposals... Edit: I have nothing but respect for her. She's literally the only person in the wide political spectrum in the UK that's willing to actually deal with this like a sensible adult, and she's been eating a ton of shit for it, barely complaining a…
Which variety of options (in negotiations/terms of the deal) do you think that Theresa May has tried?