Live data from Hacker News

What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

cat-bus.com

51–58 of 58 posts

Re: What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

#51
post #49
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is talking about it because you can't prevent infections from spreading in crowded environments.

So there is no advantage at all having some filter on top of the train, pushing the air from top or bottom to the other direction? I would assume that those droplet infections should become less.

Sick people touch surfaces, you touch surfaces. Then you touch your face.

Re: What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

#52
post #22

nearly all passenger trains are gadgetbahns, automobiles are much easier to scale and likely more environmentally friendly when occupancies on the train are low

Automobiles are easier to scale until you hit a brick wall. Subways and trains can transport a lot more people than roads. A subway line with modern signalling can have a train every 45 seconds or so. It's impossible to match that with normal roads. Dense cities can't function without trains. Imagine London, Tokyo, or New York without the subway.

1. Yes trains in very dense areas or connecting dense areas make sense - that's why my comment says "nearly all" trains

2. Everywhere else, even in dense cities, cars are very good at delivering people from where they are to where they want to go, without a large investment in single-purpose facilities like passenger railroads.

Especially in the US, it makes almost no sense to send passengers on rail when it would be more time efficient to fly between dense areas, and use the railroads for transporting freight - a task where they excel.

Re: What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

#53
post #51
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So there is no advantage at all having some filter on top of the train, pushing the air from top or bottom to the other direction? I would assume that those droplet infections should become less.

Sick people touch surfaces, you touch surfaces. Then you touch your face.

Thats were you wrong. Not touching nothing in the sbahn if i have to!

Re: What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

#55
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A train ride cannot be more expencive than the car, then the car will be used.

In the U.K. it often is.

Yes, that's what I'm complaining about. Here in Sweden the fuel for planes are so subsidised that it's most of the time cheaper to fly than to take the train. And if you go alone by car shorter distances it's about the same price as the bus. If you are two in the car it's already much cheaper.

Re: What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

#56
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Automobiles are easier to scale until you hit a brick wall. Subways and trains can transport a lot more people than roads. A subway line with modern signalling can have a train every 45 seconds or so. It's impossible to match that with normal roads. Dense cities can't function without trains. Imagine London, Tokyo, or New York without the subway.

1. Yes trains in very dense areas or connecting dense areas make sense - that's why my comment says "nearly all" trains 2. Everywhere else, even in dense cities, cars are very good at delivering people from where they are to where they want to go, without a large investment in single-purpose facilities like passenger railroads. Especially in the US, it makes almost no sense to send passengers on rail when it would be…

I'd argue that in dense cities cars are about the worst mode of transport for able-bodied people. For almost all trips a combination of a bicycle and a train is faster. Cars are expensive. Cars pollute. Car infrastructure, especially parking, consumes valuable living space. Cars cause deadly accidents.

Re: What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

#57

To be a little contrarian: what would New York City look like today if they had dismissed the Subway as a "gadgetbahn" back in 1894?

The difference is that as of today most public transport concepts have been tried and evaluated. None of them offered enough advantages to justify the cost of building a new network.

Of course, it happens that new technology makes older concepts suddenly viable. But in public transport, the cost of the track is one of the major factors. The high cost for Maglev tracks killed the technology (yes, it may work in Japan where the geography leads to lines with insane capacity demands). Hyperloop will suffer from the same problem.

The New York subway started with a revolutionary pneumatic railway and some other lines using standard gauge railway tracks. The pneumatic railway was quickly abandoned.

Re: What’s a Gadgetbahn? (2017)

#58
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Yes trains in very dense areas or connecting dense areas make sense - that's why my comment says "nearly all" trains 2. Everywhere else, even in dense cities, cars are very good at delivering people from where they are to where they want to go, without a large investment in single-purpose facilities like passenger railroads. Especially in the US, it makes almost no sense to send passengers on rail when it would be…

I'd argue that in dense cities cars are about the worst mode of transport for able-bodied people. For almost all trips a combination of a bicycle and a train is faster. Cars are expensive. Cars pollute. Car infrastructure, especially parking, consumes valuable living space. Cars cause deadly accidents.

All those things are true, but you must balance the bad against the huge good - cars are effective at moving people around the city and to the suburbs.
Post reply on HN