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Shouldn’t local law enforcement do a little more triage before sending in paramilitaristic swat teams? How many hostage situations actually happen in middle class boring suburbs such that a single unverified call turns into a full blown swat response?
I'd assume in any situation where a swat team is necessary, 5 minutes of triage would drastically decrease effectiveness.
Several things need to be done. These idiots should be charged with something along the lines of conspiracy to commit murder. The phone system needs to be updated to prevent apoofing of numbers. I know it jas its reasons for corporate exchanges and whatnot, but safety outweighs that. A Telco should be able to uniquely identify precisely who made a call. Along the way: no blocked numbers on caller ID. I dont answer a…
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Again, that's a different issue and separate from calling the Swat teams. The cops are told that murder has happened and a person that had "killed" his family member has zero to lose, so yeah, cops are afraid. The person that sees 20 armed cops or has a grenade thrown through his window will freak out and not act rationally. Recipe for disaster, all because someone made that call. 19 years old going to jail for 20-25…
The call is the catalyst. The cops are the gullible, hyper-agressive actors that turn what should be a simple matter of communication into the 'justified' killing of an innocent.
The main perpetrator whom gave up his friends Tyler Rai Barriss actually did cause the death of someone in Kansas by "Swatting" them. He then was completely unapologetic. These new indictments are after he accepted a plea deal for 20-25 years in federal prison. Here is his twitter: https://twitter.com/goredtutor36?lang=en . He boasted about swatting people and somehow got internet access in prison and posted his late…
According to a police statement regarding the 2017 Wichita Swatting event: "Officers gave [the victim] several verbal commands to put his hands up and walk towards them. The male complied for a very short time and then put his hands back down to his waist. The officers continued to give him verbal commands to put his hands up, and he lowered them again." [1] I'm not well informed on the subject, but wouldn't equippin…
Shouldn’t local law enforcement do a little more triage before sending in paramilitaristic swat teams? How many hostage situations actually happen in middle class boring suburbs such that a single unverified call turns into a full blown swat response?
Several things need to be done. These idiots should be charged with something along the lines of conspiracy to commit murder. The phone system needs to be updated to prevent apoofing of numbers. I know it jas its reasons for corporate exchanges and whatnot, but safety outweighs that. A Telco should be able to uniquely identify precisely who made a call. Along the way: no blocked numbers on caller ID. I dont answer a…
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention anything about police being held accountable when responding with unreasonable force to anonymous tips. If we are going to start talking about fixing this issue, I'm not sure getting rid of blocked numbers is going to materially impact these outcomes. Likewise, what is your recommendation on eliminating the threat of burner phones?
The police should have still been more accountable, but let's get the context right.
Shouldn’t local law enforcement do a little more triage before sending in paramilitaristic swat teams? How many hostage situations actually happen in middle class boring suburbs such that a single unverified call turns into a full blown swat response?
I'd assume in any situation where a swat team is necessary, 5 minutes of triage would drastically decrease effectiveness.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to a police statement regarding the 2017 Wichita Swatting event: "Officers gave [the victim] several verbal commands to put his hands up and walk towards them. The male complied for a very short time and then put his hands back down to his waist. The officers continued to give him verbal commands to put his hands up, and he lowered them again." [1] I'm not well informed on the subject, but wouldn't equippin…
This is just the audio of the swatter though, right? I don't think there's any video of the actual incident is there? Maybe the dude didn't understand what the big deal was and kept dropping his hands? Someone probably jumped the gun? I wonder if that team had non-lethal weapons and just didn't get them out. If he didn't have a firearm, a beanbag rifle could have ended this much differently.
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> I hate to say, but it's a slippery slope The underlying problem is that police should not jump to lethal force and have proper training to contain dangerous situation, not kill people who are crawling on the floor under their orders. The problem is not distinguishing between a legit line and a spoof, it is having a police force that is not trigger happy who cowardly justify every killing with "I was scared for my l…
> Police who are so easy to be "scared for life" should not be in the force, in the same way someone with pyrophobia should not be a firefighter. I take your point, but at the same time, that's a very easy thing to say when it's not your life that is on the line. Unless you have first hand experience doing that kind of job, I would strongly advise a bit of restraint in being quite so judgemental.
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According to a police statement regarding the 2017 Wichita Swatting event: "Officers gave [the victim] several verbal commands to put his hands up and walk towards them. The male complied for a very short time and then put his hands back down to his waist. The officers continued to give him verbal commands to put his hands up, and he lowered them again." [1] I'm not well informed on the subject, but wouldn't equippin…
This is just the audio of the swatter though, right? I don't think there's any video of the actual incident is there? Maybe the dude didn't understand what the big deal was and kept dropping his hands? Someone probably jumped the gun? I wonder if that team had non-lethal weapons and just didn't get them out. If he didn't have a firearm, a beanbag rifle could have ended this much differently.