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Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #29

It is a really interesting shift from throwing spies out of the country to criminally indicting them. I wonder if we will see similar indictments brought against US agents in the future.

Nothing has shifted. Spies without diplomatic immunity have always been criminally prosecuted. Often they're held in prison for a while, then quietly repatriated in return for one of our spies or some other political concession.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #49

I have a serious question: why don't governments impose sanctions on other governments that hack them when there is sufficient proof?

Because that would be hypocritical. Most likely all large governments try to hack other governments.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware of the difference between the Chinese government and the people of China in the same way I can distinguish between the people of Russia and their government. Same for Germany, the US or any other country. This race card play is diversionary.

Then you must also be aware that a very large amount of people are not aware of or don't care about the difference. The race blind card exists as well.

The headline is not "racist" it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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I love reading about the Chinese efforts in developing a modern turbofan engine. For whatever reason, they just can't build a good medium- or high- bypass turbofan in-house. They're latest WS-20 is basically a clone of the CFM-56 and previously they spent decades developing the WS-6 and WS-10 that never met expectations. This is a big deal because the Comac 919 is ready to go but without a powerplant, they're having…

The Soviets also couldn't crack the jet engine but the English helpfully provided a Rolls-Royce engine for the Mig-15 just in time for the Korean War. "What fool will sell us his secrets?", asked Uncle Joe Stalin. "I will", said Sir Richard Stafford Cripps, CH, FRS.

I wouldn't brand this decision as foolish. In the rapidly shifting balance of scales, perhaps someone on the island didn't want a former colony to have everything.

Or perhaps not; either way, there could have been good reasons - see discussion here[1]

[1]https://www.quora.com/In-the-beginning-of-the-Cold-war-why-d...

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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As an ethical Chinese myself, I'd like to reiterate that this type event is government-backed. And I am confident that HNers respect the boundary between Chinese people and the government. I do want to point out that general Chinese people in mainland China view these type of activities negatively as well. It should not be thought as the general people endorse such activities, they were mostly made unaware of these,…

This is exactly what a Chinese nation-state backed shill or spy would say tho.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stealing secrets from companies for commercial gain is just pathetic. Can't innovate, just hack it and steal it. Learn your history. Everyone does it. Europeans and Americans did it. Now the Chinese are doing. The only reason we're bitching is because now we're the targets instead of the thieves.

Do you have any links about about industrial scale hacking for commercial profit by those regions?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/09/spy-vs-spy-3

Everyone is standing on the shoulders of someone else.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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I used to work at Nortel Networks along with 130,000 other people. Nortel went bankrupt and now everyone who used to work there is fighting for their pensions. Apparently a major contributor to their downfall was all of the IP being stolen and sensitive information about deals going down otherwise exfiltrated by Huawei[1]

People need to get serious about protecting the privacy of their communications and data. Nobody cares until it is too late. Seems like this kind of event might be the incentive people need to make the extra effort to use products that encrypt their data in rest and in motion.

1: https://www.afr.com/technology/web/security/how-chinese-hack....

I made this comment earlier on a story about China POPs in Canada and USA nefariously re-routing traffic through China Telecom networks but that story was marked as a dupe by the time I made my comment so no discussion ensued.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #51
post #29

It is a really interesting shift from throwing spies out of the country to criminally indicting them. I wonder if we will see similar indictments brought against US agents in the future.

Nothing has shifted. Spies without diplomatic immunity have always been criminally prosecuted. Often they're held in prison for a while, then quietly repatriated in return for one of our spies or some other political concession.

China doesn't do that: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-found-cia-spies-le...
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