This is so weird why is she complaining? YouTube already has this copyright censor system requested by Article 13 built with ContentID none of their potential competition has, I don't think it would be hard to comply for them and its not like they ever really cared for small content creators in the first place. This just sounds like double speak, in reality Alphabet will be delighted to have the EU shoot itself in the face like that, they won't bribe/lobby the EU for its removal guaranteed.
YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators
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#52"YouTube has already invested more than $60 million into its Content ID system" That actually seems low to me, given we're talking about numbers (revenue, users) in the billions.
I think the fact that so little has human oversight and no direct way of disputing with a human is probably how they can handle it.
I think this is the reason YouTube is complaining. Previously they just got away with Content ID and it was just how the service worked. Now the law is drawing attention to the concept and people might get the idea that maybe an automated decision isn't the fairest implementation of this law and not having a real appeals process is unacceptable.
Especially if you consider that the EU already explicitly included a ban of purely automated decisions in the GPDR (though "luckily" that is probably not applicable in the context of Article 13, yet).
YouTube doesn't protest the idea of upload filters. YouTube just doesn't want upload filters to be a thing so much that they might end up being regulated and have legal decisions based around them because that means Content ID will be regulated and have legal decisions based around it.
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#53This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…
> Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders To be fair, youtube was forced to do so because of corporate, news/media and political pressure. People forget that youtube also fought against the DMCA and corporate/media pressure before they lost…
YouTube doesn't support fair use though...
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#54Part of me hopes that this mess will at least have the positive side-effect of more people embracing copyleft practices, but I doubt it will happen.
I'm a well paid engineer and I give away everything on my website for free + encourage people to share.
This is possible because I'm well paid.
The concern is that content creators that need money will turn to being paid by the worst offenders. Videos with the sole purpose of pushing a product/ad/political agenda.
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#55This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…
> Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders To be fair, youtube was forced to do so because of corporate, news/media and political pressure. People forget that youtube also fought against the DMCA and corporate/media pressure before they lost…
Youtube's contentID is pretty poor, and easily abused. The DMCA seems to be widely misued.
The new EU law isn't great, but it forces Youtube to design systems that don't catch non-infringing content.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180906IPR...
> Any action taken by platforms to check that uploads do not breach copyright rules must be designed in such a way as to avoid catching “non-infringing works”.
Youtube is pushing article 13 as an attack of "fair use", when really for Youtube it's mostly an attack on the people uploading full episodes of tv shows with no added commentary.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders So which is it? Do you think YouTube is too much in favour of DMCA or too against it? Perhaps mystifying and arbitrary is just the way it looks when this kind of law is applied at scale (with robots as prescribed in the law.)
The problem isn't DMCA. The problem is Content ID, which allows rights holders to take down other creators' content automatically. YouTube goes out of its way to grant rights holders a level of control that wouldn't be possible with a strict interpretation of the DMCA because an illegitimate DMCA takedown request would be a felony whereas an illegitimate Content ID claim goes unpunished. EDIT: Note however that Artic…
> an illegitimate DMCA takedown request would be a felony
No. DMCA takedown requests go like this
"I represent Bozo Media, they own all sharks wearing hats, and this video is infringing on their rights, take it down"
The only part that's under penalty of perjury (a felony) is the claim that you represent Bozo Media. If you do, you have not committed a crime regardless of whether the rest of what you wrote is obvious nonsense.
Maybe Bozo actually only owns "Toothy the hat-wearing shark", a large orange cartoon shark. Doesn't matter, not a crime to claim they own more.
Maybe the video is of a mouse wearing trousers, which is neither a shark, nor a hat, and definitely isn't the property of Bozo. Doesn't matter, still not a crime.
Is this awful? Yes. But it's the law. You are welcome to go to court, Youtube will even help you get that far if you're determined, but it will almost certainly bankrupt you even if you're right.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the fact that so little has human oversight and no direct way of disputing with a human is probably how they can handle it.
Exactly. So the solution YouTube has isn't appropriate. They should invest in a better solution even if that involves having more humans in the loop for review/approval. That's the true cost of their business. They'd just like to portray it as the law being an ass rather than their solution being inadequate for the laws. It's a clear case of "Our machines aren't humans and we don't want to have to comply with laws th…
Having more humans in the loop would probably benefit the content creators as they could actually reason with them and claim fair use for stuff. Provided that they actually hire competent staff for this.
I don't monetise my videos by default but I've have a few videos where I have had 1-2 minutes of copyrighted music. When that happens they will force monetise the whole video for me and send the money made by it to the music copyright holder (BGM in my case). That seems a bit silly to me.
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#58So Youtube does have a CEO, after all! /s It irritates me that no article I have ever read discussing Youtube's failings mentions anything about the people in charge. There have been several articles over the past couple years pointing out Youtube's ill effects on the world. In each case, the author makes it seem that Youtube is just a force of nature, with nobody at the wheel. Meanwhile, the past week I've read two…
Zucc, bless his heart, is only Jewish. Wojcicki is both Jewish and female, and therefore has an innate 4x resistance to criticism.
We don't need unsubstantive troll comments here, so please don't post them.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> First of all, they should prove that someone else own the copyright. If they're mistaken - because of copyright trolls or faulty algorithms - it should be their burden, not the authors'. That's rather optimistic; it's not a court of law. According to the rules as written, Youtube is responsible for not taking down the content. If they do not take down content which is actually copyrighted by someone else, they are…
Of course they'd err on the side of caution in this case. I think this is symptomatic of an underlying problem with the increasingly centralised Internet. It used to be that if you wanted to share content online, you put it on your web site and others could visit. If it was infringing someone else's copyright and they objected, they would send a friendly message and/or legal C&D notice to you, and you'd probably all…
Defintermediate all the things, so someone else can reintermediate them.
The Internet has been handed over to de facto monopolies operating under a thin pretext of competitive legitimacy.
We'll probably see antitrust action to split them up in twenty years or so, by which time it will be too late to make a difference.
The only thing that can change this is physical server decentralisation, which is going to rely on massive bandwidth improvements and nation-state grade security protocols.
When I can run a personal server on a personal device and serve content to thousands - some of whom may want to peer it, if it's interesting enough - then we may see a genuinely free Internet.
As it is, instead of "seeing censorship as damage and routing around it", the Internet has been seen as political damage itself, and the political system has effectively neutered it by reducing it to yet another financialised cultural channel.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are right. However, almost any large company CEO often tries to skew policy/rules/politics in different directions, some of those may be beneficial to the society. What this is the case (as I think is happening here) I prefer to cheer them on instead of pointing that their real cause is self interest. My 2c.
I'd be happy to cheer them on if there were any indication that this represented a legitimate change of heart. But we all know that as soon as they get their way in Europe, their concern for creators will mysteriously and instantly evaporate. I believe that favoring small players over large ones is a benefit to society, so I will continue to dismiss YouTube's outright hypocrisy until such time as they have earned the…
Because they have some policies that are unfriendly in some circumstances to creators, it is hypocritical of them to oppose the imposition of other policies that are more unfriendly and/or unfriendly in different circumstances to creators?