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Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by danso »

ilikerashers wrote: post #20
josefresco wrote: post #6

"YouTube has already invested more than $60 million into its Content ID system" That actually seems low to me, given we're talking about numbers (revenue, users) in the billions.

I was surprised when the best way to watch UFC 229 (PPV) was simply typing it into YouTube and watching full HD quality. YouTube won't do anything unless government action forces them to.

Content ID seems pretty robust* for non-live content. I uploaded a copy of one of the few wide-release U.S. movies in the public domain ("His Girl Friday" [0]) and was hit with a takedown notice instantaneously as the upload finished. I didn't contest it at the time, and I wonder if it's because Content ID was triggered by the Columbia Pictures fanfare/logo in the opening.

[0] https://archive.org/details/his_girl_friday

edit: By "robust", I actually mean, "a bit overly proactive", in that the system seems to be efficient in its detection, but the system's design seems unavoidably vulnerable to false positives.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by simias »

nkkollaw wrote: post #13

The EU has passed this law so that it can be there waiting to be used to shut down dissidents. It doesn't make sense otherwise. These are smart people. With mostly bad ideas IMHO, but smart. They know what they're doing. This law has too many issues to be good for regular people.

The EU has passed this law because of the lobbying of the record industry, movie industry etc... There's really no need to search for some Big Brother conspiracy theory. Maybe the law can be abused that way but I doubt that's the main motivation.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by Jyaif »

cinquemb wrote: post #11
AllegedAlec wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's orthogonal to the intention, perhaps. However, in implementation, it's much easier to make a few deals with large companies, rather than to ensure that each of the tens of millions of nobodies with 10 subscribers completely adheres to the letter of the law.

Part of me just thinks this will be bad for youtube in the long run, not content creators as they (and their audience) will find other outlets.

The outlets will be production studios that will eventually monetize the money on youtube.

All that this regulation does is (surprise!) add intermediaries, reducing the amount of money youtube and content creators get, and increasing the barrier of entry for new creators. Less creators means the customers get less creative content.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by ptero »

kibwen wrote: post #29

This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…

I think you are right. However, almost any large company CEO often tries to skew policy/rules/politics in different directions, some of those may be beneficial to the society. What this is the case (as I think is happening here) I prefer to cheer them on instead of pointing that their real cause is self interest. My 2c.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by pjc50 »

Just so we're all on the same page, this is article 13.1: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

"Information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works or other subject-matter uploaded by their users shall, in cooperation with rightholders, take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders for the use of their works or other subject-matter or to prevent the availability on their services of works or other subject-matter identified by rightholders through the cooperation with the service providers. Those measures, such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and proportionate. The service providers shall provide rightholders with adequate information on the functioning and the deployment of the measures, as well as, when relevant, adequate reporting on the recognition and use of the works and other subject-matter."

Now, as written, that seems to be not so bad for Youtube who already have content-ID for the rightsholders, but bad for other competing services starting up which would have to develop it?

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Post by okyougotmenow »

charlesism wrote: post #27

So Youtube does have a CEO, after all! /s It irritates me that no article I have ever read discussing Youtube's failings mentions anything about the people in charge. There have been several articles over the past couple years pointing out Youtube's ill effects on the world. In each case, the author makes it seem that Youtube is just a force of nature, with nobody at the wheel. Meanwhile, the past week I've read two…

Zucc, bless his heart, is only Jewish. Wojcicki is both Jewish and female, and therefore has an innate 4x resistance to criticism.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by thomasahle »

kibwen wrote: post #29

This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…

> their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders

So which is it? Do you think YouTube is too much in favour of DMCA or too against it?

Perhaps mystifying and arbitrary is just the way it looks when this kind of law is applied at scale (with robots as prescribed in the law.)

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by kadendogthing »

okyougotmenow wrote: post #37
charlesism wrote: post #27

So Youtube does have a CEO, after all! /s It irritates me that no article I have ever read discussing Youtube's failings mentions anything about the people in charge. There have been several articles over the past couple years pointing out Youtube's ill effects on the world. In each case, the author makes it seem that Youtube is just a force of nature, with nobody at the wheel. Meanwhile, the past week I've read two…

Zucc, bless his heart, is only Jewish. Wojcicki is both Jewish and female, and therefore has an innate 4x resistance to criticism.

Classic HN.

EDIT: Lol flagged faster then the above comment.

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