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Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by turtlecloud »

tibbon wrote: post #8

I don't know how the government can claim with a straight face that these substances have no known medical use, and are harmful. That's the criteria I think for Schedule 1, but there are clearly known uses for them, and the harm is relatively low. I really don't like thinking, "the government just wants to ban dangerous thoughts" but mushrooms - really? Compared to alcohol they are so incredibly safe.

I do think the government knows that they are harmful.

The main fear I think comes from the majority of people who are not that bright and can not cognitively handle the type of thinking that comes from psychedelic use.

Imagine if you just listened to the gov your whole life and then after taking psychedelics u start questioning what is good/bad , what is true/false.

Before you know it, flat earth theory is real.

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by mistermann »

goodroot wrote: post #25
DenisM wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How bad are the bad trips? And how often they appear?

Trips often elevate beyond dualistic thinking. Common dualistic spectrums include good and bad, light and dark, heaven and hell, wet or dry, dead or alive, human and non-human, space or time... The experiences are ineffable and unlike anything perceived by prior physical sense. The integrative aspect - taking the ecstatic vision and letting it into daily life - is an ongoing process which often takes up to a year. An…

Could you describe what you mean by "....-- if that is what _they feel they need to experience_ in order to realize the intention that they have brought with them into the ceremony", perhaps with an example intention?

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by sutterbomb »

WalterSear wrote: post #50
goodroot wrote: post #14

Psychedelic mushrooms are powerful medicine. They have a psychoactive effect which alters brain chemistry and helps neurological disorder. We can see that in the paper. But then so do anti-depressants. I believe the key difference between plant medicines like mushrooms, Peyote, Ayahuasca and others and clinical mood altering medicine is within the ecstatic experience. It is one to thing to have a pill lead you to an…

I have extensive experience with pharmaceutical anti-depressants and with psilocybin. It's not the introspection that causes psilocybin's anti-depressant quality. Mood and improves, and phantom pain diminishes by about 12-24 hours, regardless of the qualities of the trip, and continues to rise for a couple of days. Even if the trip is relatively non-descript, or is difficult, the internal change is still very clear.…

I’ve used micro doses of psilocybin as a depression treatment and found it effective. Be definition the microdose meant I never had a “trip”, let alone a strong one with lots of introspection. It improves mood and increases energy even at low doses.

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by turtlecloud »

Zarath wrote: post #26

Is anyone else concerned about capitalism getting their hands on these sorts of things? I'm all for decriminalization, but I'm really not excited for the patents, potentially heavy modifications to the organism for the purpose of higher yields, potency, etc.

Ya that is what I am worried about. Can you imagine the guy selling MDMA? Would make a fortune.

Drugs were best when sold by the hippies that did it to get by day by day. It got corrupted when sold purely as a money making enterprise. I believe that the current trend to legalization is to combat the Mexican cartels which are gaining immense political power using their drug money.

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by acct1771 »

sutterbomb wrote: post #53
WalterSear wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have extensive experience with pharmaceutical anti-depressants and with psilocybin. It's not the introspection that causes psilocybin's anti-depressant quality. Mood and improves, and phantom pain diminishes by about 12-24 hours, regardless of the qualities of the trip, and continues to rise for a couple of days. Even if the trip is relatively non-descript, or is difficult, the internal change is still very clear.…

I’ve used micro doses of psilocybin as a depression treatment and found it effective. Be definition the microdose meant I never had a “trip”, let alone a strong one with lots of introspection. It improves mood and increases energy even at low doses.

I've begun to prefer the term "experience" anyway.

"Trip" is outdated, and harmful to public opinion, I think.

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by Alex3917 »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #49
qwerty456127 wrote: post #7

They should also consider psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT) then - it's similar to the natural mushroom psilocybin but doesn't cause nausea.

psilocybin isn't the main cause of the nausea, but the mushroom that contains it.

I thought the nausea was caused by the Psilocin binding to the serotonin receptors near your stomach, no?

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by DenisM »

goodroot wrote: post #46
DenisM wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I say bad trip I mean a psychotic breakdown, new acute/persistent anxiety, PTSD, this kind of thing.

The team that I work with is very diligent. No one has ever had a breakdown, acute/persistent anxiety, PTSD, or anything similar as a result of what has happened in the ceremonies. We are careful with screening candidates that might be susceptible to these issues. However, there have been very nasty experiences that have happened as a result of not following the very strict guidelines of pre and post ceremony care. I…

Thanks, that’s the kind of answer I was looking for.

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by goodroot »

mistermann wrote: post #52
goodroot wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trips often elevate beyond dualistic thinking. Common dualistic spectrums include good and bad, light and dark, heaven and hell, wet or dry, dead or alive, human and non-human, space or time... The experiences are ineffable and unlike anything perceived by prior physical sense. The integrative aspect - taking the ecstatic vision and letting it into daily life - is an ongoing process which often takes up to a year. An…

Could you describe what you mean by "....-- if that is what _they feel they need to experience_ in order to realize the intention that they have brought with them into the ceremony", perhaps with an example intention?

With mood disorders, there is a moment where an individual decides: "yes, I am going to get better." For many reasons, getting to this pivotal choice is very difficult.

In metaphor, each person keeps their affliction locked within a box. And each person must be the one to create their own key. A person must be willing to open this dark box and release whatever is in it -- the sexual abuse, the long lived depression, or the significant trauma --- and _decide_ to become healthy.

An intention is saying: "This is what I have locked in my box. I want to get rid of it. I want to get better."

Real examples are:

* I no longer want to be depressed.

* I want to get over past sexual, emotional, or physical abuses.

* I want to become sober.

Through the ritualistic component of the ceremony, individuals then go deep within themselves to find and create the narrative, the key, to open the box. The contents of the journey will be unique to each individual. For some, it is getting out of hell or exorcizing a demon within themselves. For others, it is going back to their younger selves to give them love, strength, and support to get over what almost destroyed them. Or, perhaps just catch a glimpse into the delightful madness that is beyond self.

Re: Psychedelic Mushrooms Are Closer to Medicinal Use

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Post by goodroot »

DenisM wrote: post #57
goodroot wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The team that I work with is very diligent. No one has ever had a breakdown, acute/persistent anxiety, PTSD, or anything similar as a result of what has happened in the ceremonies. We are careful with screening candidates that might be susceptible to these issues. However, there have been very nasty experiences that have happened as a result of not following the very strict guidelines of pre and post ceremony care. I…

Thanks, that’s the kind of answer I was looking for.

You are welcome, take care DenisM.
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