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End of Greek Aid Package as Country Faces Demographic Crisis

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Just because the US Democratic party is associated with economic liberalism doesnt mean it isnt right-wing.

The US democratic party wants free welfare, free education for everyone: none of this has been historically supported by "right-wing" movements. So it's a difficult to support your statement.

Bernie Sanders wanted free college, but he doesn't represent the party.

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> She wants to abolish Greek clientelism. Although every politician has promised this since taking office, none has succeeded. For centuries, the Greek administration was little more than an excuse for legal nepotism. Clientelism was the functional principle of society. Its roots reach into the Ottoman era, when clan leaders represented the Greeks to the Ottoman authorities, and they have continued to this day. Jobs…

Most of the world runs on patrongage, or 'clientism' as you call it. Most large corporations are like that and so are Western governments. 'Getting in the door' at an entry-level job in government or even in business ... there are rules here, and tech tends to be more 'skills based' as are startups. But after that you'd be surprised how many people have the jobs just because they think they deserve them. Clearly, an…

Minor correction - Switzerland is not in the EU

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10 developers are going to buy up all the houses in the village?

just decrease dev's salaries and everything will be fine

Then the devs quit and work for someone else, probably for even more pay.

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That's neoliberal propaganda. 1. Greece did not live above it means. It did not have more debts than other countries in the EU zone, countries that did not crash 2. Greece would have been fine it it had not been forced to destroy its economy with an austerity program > They lived way above their means You probably are german, because that is a BILD/CDU slogan. It's very hard to qualify what that is supposed to mean.…

Why did they need an austerity program if they were fine?

the 2008 banking crisis caused credit to dry up, this caused a rise in debt costs which caused attention to focus on the greek economy which caused the fraud that allowed eurozone admission to become widely known which destroyed confidence in the greek administration which then turned to Europe who didn't help which destroyed confidence further.

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> She wants to abolish Greek clientelism. Although every politician has promised this since taking office, none has succeeded. For centuries, the Greek administration was little more than an excuse for legal nepotism. Clientelism was the functional principle of society. Its roots reach into the Ottoman era, when clan leaders represented the Greeks to the Ottoman authorities, and they have continued to this day. Jobs…

To be fair thats what makes Greece Greece. We could turn Greece, or in fact entire Southern Europe, into a new Denmark/Netherlands/Germany but do the people want to give up their identity and culture?

When the ECB sent people to Athens to oversee the reforms they were not welcomed.

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You think that the Apple that built the $5bn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park can't drag a handful of pitiful fiber optic cables 500 miles to where they're needed, if they really wanted? :)

I don't even think it's about dragging fiber cables. I live in India and in the last one year, a single company's efforts - Reliance Jio - have ensured that I get decent 4G connectivity nearly everywhere. Price is a non-issue - I pay less than $3/month for about 2GB/day of downloads. If I needed more, I wouldn't have to pay more than $10/month. India isn't exactly the most advanced country. Can't imagine why internet…

It was hyperbole, my point was that if Apple & co really wanted to promote remote work, it would cost them peanuts, at least regarding the infrastructure expenses.

Regarding team collaboration, that's a different story and nobody has science to actually back up local teams vs remote teams, anyway.

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That's neoliberal propaganda. 1. Greece did not live above it means. It did not have more debts than other countries in the EU zone, countries that did not crash 2. Greece would have been fine it it had not been forced to destroy its economy with an austerity program > They lived way above their means You probably are german, because that is a BILD/CDU slogan. It's very hard to qualify what that is supposed to mean.…

I'm not German and I don't see why it would have anything to do with that. "Living about their means" is what happens when their debt levels grow exponentially: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7KXHAuORi4w/TbS897oFTGI/AAAAAAAAA... in what world do you think this is sustainable? The US can get away with huge amount of debts because they have the dollar, which the most trusted international currency for virtually every commo…

Not to mention they literally asked Goldman-Sachs to help cook the books so they could qualify for joining the EU. I don't understand why people keep perpetuating this 'poor Greece is so innocent' myth. There was rabid government overspending, they literally defrauded the EU and they still got saved!

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>It's surprising because economic liberalism doesn't have any deep roots in Greece. There is no liberal party. The Greeks traditionally think in terms of left and right. A) There is a liberal party in Greece (just as much as there is a liberal party in Germany or France), the people just don't vote for it. B) Liberalism and "laissez-faire thinking" are right wing, I can't see another way of thinking about that. I am…

Liberalism itself isn't right wing at all. Consider that in the USA at the moment liberalism is most concentrated within the democratic party as most neo-liberals have left the party post Trump. Steve Schmidt and Joe Scarborough are two obvious examples of this shift.

I think this would depend on what you consider liberalism. For instance, I think two of the most important components of liberalism are the autonomy of the individual and the consent of the governed.

If we wanted to create a truly liberal government we might have institutions where you were given the option of paying an education tax. And if you paid this tax, then you would be able to opt in to public education benefits which would be equitably distributed and could approach "free" depending on how many people paid in and the cost of the education institute any given student was pursuing. However, if you chose to opt out of this tax, you would be obligated to pay the costs and fees all on your own.

Instead proponents of "free" things tend to take the view that we should forcefully demand one segment of society pay for this "free" thing for the rest of society, and threaten them with violence or imprisonment if they refuse. There might be completely reasonable justifications for this, but I think it is a stretch to call this a liberal view once we consider what we actually mean by "free".

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Most of the world runs on patrongage, or 'clientism' as you call it. Most large corporations are like that and so are Western governments. 'Getting in the door' at an entry-level job in government or even in business ... there are rules here, and tech tends to be more 'skills based' as are startups. But after that you'd be surprised how many people have the jobs just because they think they deserve them. Clearly, an…

Portugal's economy has been booming since 2015 - please resist the temptation of bad-mouthing Portugal before you understand more about it's current political, economical and social situation.

Watching it from the inside, i think its main source is tourism and foreigners buying real estate. If the latter ends, i think the economy will fall back again. Because nothing fundamental seems to be changing.

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>There is almost no work -- the main sources of income are beekeeping and a bit of forestry. There's no tourism, even though, according to UNESCO, the air here is cleaner than almost anywhere else in Europe. One of the greatest things the tech industry could do to decrease the economic inequality due to location would be to embrace remote work. Imagine what even having 10 developers living in the village could do for…

I would bet a significant portion of high achievers want to live in urban areas near other high achievers rather than rural areas. Face to face networking opens up many, many doors.
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