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When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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Careful with the "we". This is very much just an American thing.

As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.

You are on their property. If you refuse, you’ll be forced to leave. Does that make what they did ethical, no, but it’s 100% within their legal rights. Same goes if I was a guest at your house, even if I was paying to stay there.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing.

> Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing. I doubt those terms are legal enforceable if they exist. Even apartment building owners in the US can't enter arbitrarily, especially if you're not present.

Leasing an apartment, and it being filled with all of your possessions, is a quite different situation than a short-term rental of a hotel room, and I'd wager the legal system sees them as different.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing.

> Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing. I doubt those terms are legal enforceable if they exist. Even apartment building owners in the US can't enter arbitrarily, especially if you're not present.

Tenant’s rights laws control when and how an apartment owner can enter the residence.

Those laws don’t really exist for hotels in the USA as far as I know. Hotels are categorized as temporary dwellings and are regulated much differently.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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Had a room visit. The two security guys were friendly in that weird way where they're all smiley and talkative, but completely ignore anything you say. Weird stuff. Oh, and they made fun of how much I paid for room service, which is weird because it's overpriced to help pay their salaries... shrug I get the why of what they're doing, but they didn't look through anything, so if I was planning something I could have h…

Is the room service really that expensive? I do remember paying extra taxes on taxes at the Encore

$75 for french onion soup, a caesar salad, and two beers

$55 for a bad 18" NY style pepperoni pizza

There's an 18% gratuity and a $10 delivery fee for every order.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

#55
post #24

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As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.

You are on their property. If you refuse, you’ll be forced to leave. Does that make what they did ethical, no, but it’s 100% within their legal rights. Same goes if I was a guest at your house, even if I was paying to stay there.

You'll find that once you accept payment for them staying there your rights are curtailed depending on which state you live in. Your blanket statement isn't even close to true in quite a few places inside the US.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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The good news: you can watch practically all sessions on youtube: https://youtube.com/user/mediacccde/playlists

Do people go to cons for talks?

That varies from convention to convention. There's a whole spectrum from networking/social conventions to mostly talk and info focused conventions.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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post #50

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> Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing. I doubt those terms are legal enforceable if they exist. Even apartment building owners in the US can't enter arbitrarily, especially if you're not present.

Tenant’s rights laws control when and how an apartment owner can enter the residence. Those laws don’t really exist for hotels in the USA as far as I know. Hotels are categorized as temporary dwellings and are regulated much differently.

> Is there a right to privacy in my hotel room? Generally, yes, you have a right to expect privacy in your hotel room as long as you are using the hotel room in a normal, responsible way. However, if you are engaging in anything illegal or disturbing other guests, hotel management can enter your room without your permission. [0]

The quote's not from a definitive source but there is language like that all over the internet. Merely attending a conference does not a criminal make, so I think the hotel has a thin defense here.

[0]: https://consumer.findlaw.com/travel-rules-and-rights/hotel-q...

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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Why the hell do people act like that at the conference? That sounds like children running amok, not a security conference.

The age requirement for Defcon is 18. There is also a large cross section of counter culture and drug culture. There were many parties happening. I recall smoking salvia out of a hooka, which later tipped and burned the bed sheets. A random guy came in to the party with a 50 gallon trash bag full of dried salvia.

No, defcon has no age requirement.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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post #43

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The age requirement for Defcon is 18. There is also a large cross section of counter culture and drug culture. There were many parties happening. I recall smoking salvia out of a hooka, which later tipped and burned the bed sheets. A random guy came in to the party with a 50 gallon trash bag full of dried salvia.

No, defcon has no age requirement.

Yep you're correct.

Re: When Security Compromises Security – The Caesars/Defcon debacle

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post #24

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As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.

You are on their property. If you refuse, you’ll be forced to leave. Does that make what they did ethical, no, but it’s 100% within their legal rights. Same goes if I was a guest at your house, even if I was paying to stay there.

Just because it is legal does not mean I am not allowed to raise hell
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