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Careful with the "we". This is very much just an American thing.
As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.
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Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing.
> Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing. I doubt those terms are legal enforceable if they exist. Even apartment building owners in the US can't enter arbitrarily, especially if you're not present.
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Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing.
> Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing. I doubt those terms are legal enforceable if they exist. Even apartment building owners in the US can't enter arbitrarily, especially if you're not present.
Those laws don’t really exist for hotels in the USA as far as I know. Hotels are categorized as temporary dwellings and are regulated much differently.
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#54Had a room visit. The two security guys were friendly in that weird way where they're all smiley and talkative, but completely ignore anything you say. Weird stuff. Oh, and they made fun of how much I paid for room service, which is weird because it's overpriced to help pay their salaries... shrug I get the why of what they're doing, but they didn't look through anything, so if I was planning something I could have h…
Is the room service really that expensive? I do remember paying extra taxes on taxes at the Encore
$55 for a bad 18" NY style pepperoni pizza
There's an 18% gratuity and a $10 delivery fee for every order.
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As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.
You are on their property. If you refuse, you’ll be forced to leave. Does that make what they did ethical, no, but it’s 100% within their legal rights. Same goes if I was a guest at your house, even if I was paying to stay there.
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The good news: you can watch practically all sessions on youtube: https://youtube.com/user/mediacccde/playlists
Do people go to cons for talks?
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> Warrantless search only applies if it was the police going in there; if it's hotel security, and if the terms and conditions of said hotel indicate hotel security can enter your room at any given time, then you'll have nothing. I doubt those terms are legal enforceable if they exist. Even apartment building owners in the US can't enter arbitrarily, especially if you're not present.
Tenant’s rights laws control when and how an apartment owner can enter the residence. Those laws don’t really exist for hotels in the USA as far as I know. Hotels are categorized as temporary dwellings and are regulated much differently.
The quote's not from a definitive source but there is language like that all over the internet. Merely attending a conference does not a criminal make, so I think the hotel has a thin defense here.
[0]: https://consumer.findlaw.com/travel-rules-and-rights/hotel-q...
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Why the hell do people act like that at the conference? That sounds like children running amok, not a security conference.
The age requirement for Defcon is 18. There is also a large cross section of counter culture and drug culture. There were many parties happening. I recall smoking salvia out of a hooka, which later tipped and burned the bed sheets. A random guy came in to the party with a 50 gallon trash bag full of dried salvia.
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The age requirement for Defcon is 18. There is also a large cross section of counter culture and drug culture. There were many parties happening. I recall smoking salvia out of a hooka, which later tipped and burned the bed sheets. A random guy came in to the party with a 50 gallon trash bag full of dried salvia.
No, defcon has no age requirement.
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As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.
You are on their property. If you refuse, you’ll be forced to leave. Does that make what they did ethical, no, but it’s 100% within their legal rights. Same goes if I was a guest at your house, even if I was paying to stay there.