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Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by kowdermeister »

machiaweliczny wrote: post #30

I would love a web where you can comment with your forum circle on any URI available on internet. Eg. I open some research paper and I click "comments" in web browsers. And I see comments from /r/machinelearning, hackernews etc. Also real time chat would be awesome to have for each of websites. Nowadays it work for me like this - found something interesting X - type "X site:myforum" in google to learn more about it F…

I think that's how HN works :)

If you try to submit an existing URL it takes you to the latest post about it or a list of submissions.

Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by Torwald »

thinkingemote wrote: post #37
machiaweliczny wrote: post #30

I would love a web where you can comment with your forum circle on any URI available on internet. Eg. I open some research paper and I click "comments" in web browsers. And I see comments from /r/machinelearning, hackernews etc. Also real time chat would be awesome to have for each of websites. Nowadays it work for me like this - found something interesting X - type "X site:myforum" in google to learn more about it F…

There's several browser plugins that work that way, I think the main obstacle is you need everyone on it. also that theres not a lot of activity spread across the whole web, resulting in stale discussions. Google reader I think had this social thing built into it. It wasn't just an RSS reader.

> There's several browser plugins that work that way, I think the main obstacle is you need everyone on it.

That was the basic decision of making hyperlinks work one way, instead of two way like it was envisioned by others, eg Ted Nelson's Xanadu.

Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by Torwald »

machiaweliczny wrote: post #30

I would love a web where you can comment with your forum circle on any URI available on internet. Eg. I open some research paper and I click "comments" in web browsers. And I see comments from /r/machinelearning, hackernews etc. Also real time chat would be awesome to have for each of websites. Nowadays it work for me like this - found something interesting X - type "X site:myforum" in google to learn more about it F…

> I would love a web where you can comment with your forum circle on any URI available on internet.

This would be automatically available if hyperlinks were two way connections.

All that would be needed is a culture of linking to what you commented about.

Which, I would guess, would have happened in such a web, because it would be a no brainer that any cool tool provides that. Much like the share buttons for SN we have now on every website.

Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by firasd »

machiaweliczny wrote: post #30

I would love a web where you can comment with your forum circle on any URI available on internet. Eg. I open some research paper and I click "comments" in web browsers. And I see comments from /r/machinelearning, hackernews etc. Also real time chat would be awesome to have for each of websites. Nowadays it work for me like this - found something interesting X - type "X site:myforum" in google to learn more about it F…

I've been building an app that (among other things) can kind of generate this for Twitter--if people are discussing a link, it finds tweets about that link, quote-tweets of tweets about that link, and replies to tweets about that link (in addition to tracking the number of retweets and likes). (The app is pre-release but it's on social media as https://twitter.com/flockpath)

I've been thinking that I should 'break out' that feature as a Chrome extension. It would open the Twitter discussion for the link you're on, as a sidebar. Here's an image of how the sidebar would look (this is a sample of tweets about a particular article called 'Podcasting's Next Frontier'): https://imgur.com/a/GEcR7b1

And if that Chrome extension becomes popular maybe I would ditch the dependence on Twitter and also spider the rest of the web for discussions about the URL, especially big forums like HN, Reddit. I think https://techmeme.com does something like that.

As an aside, this is the kinda thing I miss about the circa 2005 web--when there was a prominent article published it would get discussed in a variety of forums, blogs, etc. Now the discussion has become centralized to a few aggregators and social media sites.

Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by wruza »

machiaweliczny wrote: post #30

I would love a web where you can comment with your forum circle on any URI available on internet. Eg. I open some research paper and I click "comments" in web browsers. And I see comments from /r/machinelearning, hackernews etc. Also real time chat would be awesome to have for each of websites. Nowadays it work for me like this - found something interesting X - type "X site:myforum" in google to learn more about it F…

That could erase forum-ness of people and turn comments into a big heap of voices. Personally I wouldn’t like my forums if they were just a random people hanging around. Moderators and implicit rules do form what a forum is, what you do on it, but with “just comments on URI” all will be lost. While your wish feels great, it has downsides, since as an entire humanity we’re still not ready to discuss anything.

Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by mark_l_watson »

There used to be a browser plugin that allowed users of the plugin to register comments on parts of web pages.

In general I like the idea behind the article, of enriching content by allowing readers to add links, but in practice this opens the door for spammers.

Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by machiavelli1024 »

wruza wrote: post #55
machiaweliczny wrote: post #30

I would love a web where you can comment with your forum circle on any URI available on internet. Eg. I open some research paper and I click "comments" in web browsers. And I see comments from /r/machinelearning, hackernews etc. Also real time chat would be awesome to have for each of websites. Nowadays it work for me like this - found something interesting X - type "X site:myforum" in google to learn more about it F…

That could erase forum-ness of people and turn comments into a big heap of voices. Personally I wouldn’t like my forums if they were just a random people hanging around. Moderators and implicit rules do form what a forum is, what you do on it , but with “just comments on URI” all will be lost. While your wish feels great, it has downsides, since as an entire humanity we’re still not ready to discuss anything.

You can configure your client to ignore comments unless they’re verified by [authority you trust]. Verification would happen cryptographically; like the GPG web of trust. It’s up to you to choose which moderators you subsrcibe to, if any.

Re: Freeing the Web from the Browser

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Post by wruza »

code_coyote wrote: post #38

Comments and feedback won't work for a site with a lot of readers or viewers, they don't scale. If just 20k people read your post, and one-quarter of them comment, you'll be flooded and not able to find anything meaningful. I'm already following some YT channels where the creator(s) has stated, "we can't read the comments, requests here are ignored."

YT comments simply suck in any area. Creators can’t make polls, sorting seems random, upvoting has no filters like funny/insightful at least. Moderation seems to not exist at all. No groups, no sections (those 4-5 in sidebar do not count). It is worst implementation of all possible, and YT does nothing to fix it for decades. They have time to make “material designs” though. If you imagine that videos are just OPs in a forum, you’ll see how crappy it is.
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