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Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by ohmygodel »

InfinityX0 wrote: post #49
ohmygodel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I'm slightly ranting but I think, food wise, the best way to judge whether or not something is good for you is quite simply, how it makes you feel immediately afterwards... I really think it's that simple." Sorry, this really doesn't make sense to me. Do you think people eat fatty, sugary, salty foods because it makes them feel bad? No, it makes them feel great. But, you may say, that is only temporary pleasure. The…

Fatty, sugary, and salty foods do not make you feel good shortly afterwards. They make you feel bad. If there is any sort of bad sensation at any point, you shouldn't be consuming that food. There's something to the cancer argument but like I said previously, the determinates behind that stuff are so hard to figure out - and I would say that likely, the foods that keep us feeling good day to day - ALL DAY - are not t…

First, I dispute that good-tasting foods all make you feel bad shortly afterwards. Just as one example, sugary foods make you release all kinds of happy chemicals as you eat it, and that high alone lasts for a while.

Second, simply eating any food AT ALL that keeps you feeling good all day probably increases your risk of cancer. Calorie restriction looks like it does increase our longevity in part due to a decreased risk of cancer.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by anigbrowl »

wvl wrote: post #30
anigbrowl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some ( So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We…

Sigh. This is the opposite of "faddish bullshit". Because it is packaged as a book, with the word "diet" in the title, people assume that it must be some fad. People with Coeliac disease react to, and have trouble digesting gluten. However, just because you might not get diarrhoea from eating wheat does not mean that the lectins in grain aren't causing you problems. I can eat wheat fine, I grew up eating lots of brea…

You should certainly eat whatever feels best for you, as I said earlier.

Now maybe the conventional wisdom is messed up, but Mr Wolf doesn't have a single published article to his credit. I have read Taube's book and find it interesting; I suggested a nursing textbook not because of any included diet suggestions, but as a readable introduction to the fundamentals of the digestive system.

I used to have some Atkin's roommates who were constantly telling me how humans don't need carbs. Sure, they enjoyed chocolate and french fries a few times a week, but that's strictly a matter of taste. Apparently ketosis is fine once you get over it.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by ohmygodel »

tfinster wrote: post #50
araneae wrote: post #42

The idea that a paleo diet will make you healthier because it's what we evolved to eat is bullshit. Firstly, it assumes that we haven't evolved since modern agriculture, which of course we have; people with ancestors from areas with grain harvesting have more copies of the amylase gene, which produce enzymes that help us to better digest calories. Secondly, it assumes that the "priority" of evolution in paleo times w…

> it assumes that we haven't evolved since modern agriculture No one is arguing that we haven't evolved at all. But humanoids have been around for millions of years, and the 10,000 years since the advent of agriculture is a very small evolutionary time step. So the reasoning is more that we haven't evolved enough to fully digest grains without damage to our gut lining. > Our hunter and gatherer ancestors were starvin…

"the 10,000 years since the advent of agriculture is a very small evolutionary time step"

True, although those 10,000 (I've actually heard 20-40K) years are the most recent ones in our evolution and therefore have more direct bearing on our current state. In addition, humans experienced a population bottleneck around 60,000 that brought us down to 10-20K individuals. Since then, there have been repeated agricultural famines. These stresses should have favored people able to eat the grains that formed the basis of our diet.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by waivej »

hugh3 wrote: post #16

The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so. I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did b…

Your comment made me smile. This year I gave up sugar and processed grains and made some interesting observations.

1. Eating wheat seems to cause floaters in my eyes - but only processed wheat. I can eat all sorts of grains from the bulk bin and feel great. Eye doctors have told me they are natural but it got bad enough to make it hard to use a computer. Now I only remember them when I eat something like pizza or bread.

2. A friend from Switzerland won't eat flour in this country. She can't stand the smell (rancid) and grinds her own. She also keeps it in the freezer. It doesn't cause me trouble either.

3. My teeth have never felt cleaner. If I have processed flour or sugar, I actually feel the acid and can't brush them "clean". I've always wondered by natives have good teeth without brushing and modern humans have cavities.

4. I read that wheat has a long history of chemical processing (to get rid of the smut fungus). It makes me wonder if there is a correlation between pesticides/processing and food allergies. (My mom used to say that peanuts have the most pesticides in the US.)

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by TGJ »

wvl wrote: post #19
TGJ wrote: post #10

Call me crazy but the book linked at the end of the article was published September 14th and there are already 40 five star reviews posted. Which given the idea that it's 'diet' lifestyle change would mean time would be needed to actually see if the content pans out. I start feeling iffy any time another 'this food is bad' book comes along and with those reviews, that puts it into the questionable category.

Robb Wolf has been writing about nutrition and doing nutrition seminars for many years now. Many people have recommended and advocated for the high quality articles and podcasts he has written and put out there. So, it is completely understandable that anyone who has preordered the book (myself included, should get it tomorrow) will read and review it to help boost sales of the book (and the message it contains). Bes…

And you sound just like the followup to a forum question on amazon by a person asking the same question that I was.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by logic »

waivej wrote: post #54
hugh3 wrote: post #16

The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so. I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did b…

Your comment made me smile. This year I gave up sugar and processed grains and made some interesting observations. 1. Eating wheat seems to cause floaters in my eyes - but only processed wheat. I can eat all sorts of grains from the bulk bin and feel great. Eye doctors have told me they are natural but it got bad enough to make it hard to use a computer. Now I only remember them when I eat something like pizza or bre…

Number three is one of those odd things I noticed while "doing Atkins" (ie. significantly-reduced carbohydrate intake, increased fat and protein). It's really an astoundingly obvious change, too; after a day or two, your teeth feel like a coating has been cleaned off of them.

(Similarly, after eating anything in a bun now, I immediately notice how every tight spot in my teeth is suddenly caked with residue.)

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by logic »

commandar wrote: post #32
hugh3 wrote: post #16

The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so. I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did b…

You might be interested in looking into the PaNu approach to paleo.[1] The author of that blog puts a lot of emphasis on focusing on metabolism rather than, as he puts it, food reenactment. e.g., dairy isn't strictly paleo, but he acknowledges that it's an easy way to up fat intake without the type of ill effects that you're more likely to see from glutens. Worth checking out anyway. It's certainly changed the way I…

Harris' blog is entertaining to read, in my mind, because he's one of the few folks writing about this stuff that doesn't have a book and/or methodology he's trying to sell you. His "getting started" page is a refreshingly pragmatic list of ideas sorted by payoff potential for the reader, rather than for him or anything he has a vested interest in.

http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by InfinityX0 »

ohmygodel wrote: post #51
InfinityX0 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fatty, sugary, and salty foods do not make you feel good shortly afterwards. They make you feel bad. If there is any sort of bad sensation at any point, you shouldn't be consuming that food. There's something to the cancer argument but like I said previously, the determinates behind that stuff are so hard to figure out - and I would say that likely, the foods that keep us feeling good day to day - ALL DAY - are not t…

First, I dispute that good-tasting foods all make you feel bad shortly afterwards. Just as one example, sugary foods make you release all kinds of happy chemicals as you eat it, and that high alone lasts for a while. Second, simply eating any food AT ALL that keeps you feeling good all day probably increases your risk of cancer. Calorie restriction looks like it does increase our longevity in part due to a decreased…

Sugary foods cause a crash after consuming them. So yes, there is a negative fall associated with it.

The thing with calorie restriction is if you eat all good foods that make you feel good, likely your "calorie restriction" situation occurs anyways. If you have enough of the good-feeling foods to not be in a state where calorie restriction is actually happening, you begin to feel bad (full/bloated). And thus, fulfill the scenario where "feeling bad" actually is again bad for your long-term health.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by noelchurchill »

dmoney wrote: post #22
anigbrowl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nonsensical faddish bullshit. Some ( So maybe Mr Ferris has this problem. That doesn't mean that everyone else does, though this isn't the first time I've seen someone with a digestive condition go on a crusade about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease I am so tired of adapting to what is "good" only to have that change. I suggest you listen to your own body instead of attention-seeking pundits. We…

Get yourself a first-year nursing textbook on nutrition instead. Any particular books you recommend?

The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson. He puts some sense of his own sense of humor into the book and I like his overall lifestyle approach.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Pounds in 14 Days)

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Post by hugh3 »

tfinster wrote: post #47
hugh3 wrote: post #16

The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so. I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did b…

> The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit Would you mind expanding on which parts you find to be bullshit? I can't find any reasons in your current post. > I don't buy the logic behind exclusion of beans The logic behind not eating legumes (and dairy) is the same as the logic behind not eating grains: the adult human digestive tract is not capable of fully digesting these (e.g. the protein lectin in grains), causing…

The parts I think are bullshit are the parts like

The logic behind not eating legumes (and dairy) is the same as the logic behind not eating grains: the adult human digestive tract is not capable of fully digesting these (e.g. the protein lectin in grains), causing gut irritation and ultimately causing autoimmunity and inflammation.

which as far as I know aren't sufficiently grounded in fact... they sound suspiciously post-hoc.

Absolutely do! Only then is any nutritional experiment, Paleo or otherwise, complete. I would wager you will feel worse after reintroducing grains, but I would love to hear your results first hand.

Well actually I did go back on grains and sugars the other week because I was in Japan. I didn't really notice much change to my well-being, except that I felt hungry and constantly craved sweet stuff. If there were other effects I can't deconvolve them from jetlag.

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