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Re: The iPhone X

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Post by makecheck »

The extra step to kill processes on the X is bad enough that I would call it a serious bug (i.e. it is harder to view processes in the first place, you can’t swipe them out, and you can’t even see the kill buttons without a delicate push-and-wait). This has to be easy to do because there are just too many apps that can enter weird states, e.g. bank apps that will never accept log-ins again once they encounter their first server blip.

Also, whether it is software or the X itself, sound is atrocious: it is very easy to generate nasty and loud pops/glitches/stutters on a regular basis.

Re: The iPhone X

#52

Post by jsjohnst »

strictnein wrote: post #43
jsjohnst wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is almost never early to a market, so why call it out specifically that “business as usual on timing”. We can debate if they are successful or not (I waffle myself), but they’ve not prided on being first , but rather being better .

You must have missed a decade+ of Apple talking about how everyone copies them? Example: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/photo...

People do copy Apple, but that doesn’t mean Apple was first. The (misguided I feel) argument by Apple wasn’t that someone copied the concept of what they did (which again, they usually weren’t first to anyway), but rather copied their implementation which made them better over whoever was first.

Also, Steve Jobs even has a famous quote that’s relevant [0], “good artists copy, great artists steal”.

[0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Re: The iPhone X

#53

Post by lern_too_spel »

mcphage wrote: post #50
lern_too_spel wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely Gruber. I've seen Thurrot recommend products from more than one company. Gruber, never. If Apple has a product in the space, only the Apple product is worth buying, no matter how objectively bad it is.

> I've seen Thurrot recommend products from more than one company. Gruber, never. That's also definitely not true. He's been a big supporter of Amazon's Echo line, he's mentioned a number of Android phones he likes—hell, on his front page right now he links glowingly to an article about how much better Google Maps is than Apple Maps.

> He's been a big supporter of Amazon's Echo line

Apple doesn't have a competing product. Please read the rest of the GP post.

> he's mentioned a number of Android phones he likes

Yet he prefers the Apple phones to all of them. Again, read the remainder of the GP post.

> on his front page right now he links glowingly to an article about how much better Google Maps is than Apple Maps.

Yet he himself still prefers Apple Maps. Again, read the remainder of the GP post.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/09/30/apple-maps-goog...

Extracting the part of the GP post that matters: "If Apple has a product in the space, only the Apple product is worth buying, no matter how objectively bad it is."

Re: The iPhone X

#54

Post by doe88 »

mikestew wrote: post #31
brian-armstrong wrote: post #3

This is an incredibly fanboy-y article even by Gruber standards. I'm not sure he's physically capable of criticizing Apple, even if he wanted to.

My take on Gruber is to not take him seriously. Don't take his recommendations, he'll flip on a dime. For example, when the Pebble was announced he was first in line on the Kickstarter. It shipped, he liked it. As soon as the Apple Watch came out, the Pebble was suddenly a piece of shit. I'm also convinced that he recommends things that he's either never used, or took money to recommend. An outstanding example is a w…

I don't have anything against him, I think in the iPhone X case he might deservedly be lauding Apple, their phone genuinely seems good. But more to your point, concerning watches I remember that for months on his podcast he was dismissive of the then rumored/speculated Apple Watch form factor altogether, he thought that if anything it would be more like a fitness tracker, and obviously once it became reality he unconditionaly praised the watch and now every new year with equal praise he is saying that the new model should have been the first one... Time passing, more than being biased I think his real issue is that he has become incredibly lazy with his work.

Re: The iPhone X

#55

Post by Brendinooo »

willtim wrote: post #34
Brendinooo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were to write a review of a product you really liked, how would you do it differently?

Perhaps one might admit that Apple are late to the game with OLED and edge-to-edge displays?

So if you were to write a review of a product you really liked, you would...throw in extra paragraphs about when other phones adopted some of the product's features?

Re: The iPhone X

#56

Post by hungerstrike »

lnx01 wrote: post #33
hungerstrike wrote: post #17

There's so much to hate about the iPhone X - I'm glad it's failing because I never want to see another phone like it again. My biggest gripes are that I like buttons (even the fake iPhone 7 home button is better than swiping) and I like rectangular screens without notches in them. I also think Face ID is a terrible idea with no future. I predicted (and got downvoted here on HN) that it would fail miserably - and it d…

It's not failing though, it's selling more than its stable brethren combined: https://9to5mac.com/2017/12/26/iphone-x-outperformed-by-8-an...

Yeah - during the first month. And then people figured out how bad it actually was.

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by thinkythought »

jsz0 wrote: post #23
shizzleberry wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear people saying this a ton, aside from the slow face unlock, I haven't experienced many glitches. What am I not doing wrong? Is there a specific gesture to trigger one of these bugs (genuine question)?

The home/swipe related bugs seem to be related to accidental touch detection and/or swiping before animations fully complete. For example this morning I had to reboot my phone because I couldn't swipe to unlock from the lock screen. It was stuck in 'notification mode' so it thought my swipes were to view my notifications instead of unlocking. Immediately before this happened I had cleared all my notifications which r…

Did you select set up as a new phone or restore from a backup

I had all kinds of problems like this until i just bit the bullet and did it clean slate, and i haven't had a single performance issue since. Not a single reboot, nothing. The regular iOS11 gripes are still there but nothing truly awful like this

It's a bit like doing a clean install when you order a new laptop right after you take it out of the box. It's usually a good call, even if it's a bit of a hassle

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by thinkythought »

breatheoften wrote: post #38

How did the move of the sleep/wake button from the top to side EVER get approved ...? I’ve been ranting about this since the iPhone 6... I can’t count the number of times I’ve: - inadvertently activated Siri while reaching blindly for my phone - put the phone to sleep when trying to use the hardware shutter button while taking a picture I don’t understand how this flaw has escaped widespread criticism...

The true face-palmer here is the new screenshot shortcut on the X, wherein you press volume up + side button to take a screenshot

i seriously take probably 5-10 screenshots a day just trying to lock my damn phone. I've taken to crooking my finger on the other side so it's far from the volume buttons just to avoid this.

Seriously my only major UI complaint

Re: The iPhone X

#59

Post by thinkythought »

arielm wrote: post #5

This is a beautiful way of looking at the X from a very zoomed out perspective. To an extent, I agree with much of what’s said and felt the same way when starting to use my X. But, and this is the important but here, we’re existing users. I saw iPhones develop over time, so for me this is evolution and I put up with it. But what about new users, that are new to the platform. Apple made some interactions so unintuitiv…

Weird, on both my phone and one i gifted to my mother for the first week or so it greyed out the screen(like, windows UAC style) and had big bold text at the bottom saying "double press to purchase" while showing the side button animation. It doesn't show up on mine now, but the little tutorial showed the first few times

Re: The iPhone X

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Post by thinkythought »

I think it's worth noting that even for someone like Gruber who often defends things about apple others attack, he still craps on the notch in landscape mode.

I have an X, and i have very few complaints about it. It's an awesome device pretty much all around, and i wouldn't trade it in for an 8 or any other phone. They did a bang up job on performance, display quality, battery life, and i think the updates to the interface are spot-on.

But holy shit is the notch annoying in landscape, and so many apps that are "updated" for the X still handle it HORRIBLY. Especially games.

They really screwed this one up, and they need to be way harsher on developers who want to use the "ears" in-game to actually take the shape into account. I find myself actually wishing i could force thing into the "letterbox" non-updated app mode sometimes.

Fortunately this is something that could be fixed later, because it's software, but right now it's so bad. It doesn't even bother me in videos, just when i need to actually interact with crappily thought through games and apps treating that area like usable display

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