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Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by dmix »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #45
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you been there lately? Fewer dogs but still similar.

I know it's fun to be edgy, but it's even more fun to be pedantic and provide links of what those actual locations look like today: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8265393,-73.9077102,3a,75y,7... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8107336,-73.9187274,3a,75y,1... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8187207,-73.921799,3a,75y,13... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8228232,-73.9165044,3a,75y,3... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.…

Wow what an improvement all around, thanks for that. Some of the empty lots are still there but fenced off and with far less blight.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #46
pavel_lishin wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's fun to be edgy, but it's even more fun to be pedantic and provide links of what those actual locations look like today: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8265393,-73.9077102,3a,75y,7... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8107336,-73.9187274,3a,75y,1... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8187207,-73.921799,3a,75y,13... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8228232,-73.9165044,3a,75y,3... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.…

>For Bronx, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these c…

This is what I personally can't stand about internet posters. Posting forcefully about things they have done no research on.

The borough of the Bronx compared to a number of cities Using total crime as that's what was used.

Chances of being a victim of property/violent crime Bronx 1 in 95, 1 in 54 Cleveland 1 in 63, 1 in 16 Denver 1 in 148, 1 in 28 San Francisco 1 in 127, 1 in 16

25% more likely to be a affected by violent crime than in San Francisco. And Less likely to be affected by property crime.

No one is saying all areas of the Bronx are utopias (definitely not), but from what I've experienced, people posting comments like the above are either made to disparage, or often are just blindly repeating what someone has read with zero knowledge of facts.

> With a crime rate of 70 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 14.

  https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/bronx/crime
  https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mo/st-louis/crime
  https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/oh/cleveland/crime
  https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/co/denver/crime
  https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by somberi »

As interesting as it is to see some rough areas, most of the areas have not changed much. I looked at the streets where I used to live / currently live - they largely look the same. Some of the shops are still there.

Since someone mentioned popular culture references, one movie that I thought "got" the hyper nature of 80s NYC was "Crocodile Dundee". It is of course exaggerated, being a romantic comedy, but it got some parts of it very well.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by cat199 »

dmix wrote: post #30
akgerber wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The incentives weren't just rent control but also white-flight population decline leading to decreased rent rolls leading to reduced property valuations that weren't yet reflected in insurance valuations. And much of that white flight was due to the Federal government funding interstates to the suburbs and subsidizing mortgage loans for whites only that made suburban houses cheaper for white middle-class families to…

> And much of that white flight was due to the Federal government funding interstates to the suburbs and subsidizing mortgage loans for whites only that made suburban houses cheaper for white middle-class families to live in than urban apartments. . That study is for "1934–1968". The civil rights act (1969) made that type of discrimination illegal and included provisions to incentivize the reduction of segregation, y…

> I'm curious why it hasn't reversed despite these changes...

Then came the gangs (70s-90s, still today)...

Neighborhoods like this are/were/became:

a) literal war zones

b) in many cases extremely hostile to non 'natives'

Pretty much if you lived there, you wanted to survive or get out, and no one in their right mind who had a choice wanted to move in, until the gentrification wave of late 90s to now, which only came after crack wars ended and gangs started to be sucessfully supressed..

As for 'policy' -

If you dig beyond the surface corruption, there are plenty of not-so-implausible tinfoil hat theories relating to using drug related crime as a foreign and domestic political tool in most countries..

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by cat199 »

dmix wrote: post #49
volkl48 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until white people are comfortable living in a 80% minority neighborhood, self-segregation is potentially inevitable regardless of all other factors. Play with the little simulation at the bottom here: http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg... Notice how low the similarity percentage has to be to get anything that is remotely integrated.

It likely wouldn't be seen as a 'problem' if economic levels were similar. In Toronto the ethnic enclaves are a highly regarded feature of the city and there is very little tension (if at all). Many of our ethnic groups are doing as well and sometimes better than the native white groups. It's a natural phenomenon for cultural groups to stick together. I see nothing wrong with that and all groups benefit from the vari…

It's not just economics - Canada doesn't have slave history.

Many of these neighborhoods are predominantly AA and descendants of freed slaves; many residents view these neighborhoods as their territory and however bad the crime might be, at least it is something that is 'theirs' in a country that stole their land, families, etc.

Encroachment is often viewed as racial assault and non-natives are often treated with suspicion at the least, or outright hostility.

The crime and poverty is a separate issue - but if you'll note, when this is solved, the neighborhoods become gentrified and existing poor residents are rapidly displaced.. for these, it was almost preferable to have the crime since they could still live in 'their home' in a neighborhood they grew up in, etc.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by pavel_lishin »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #52
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For Bronx, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these c…

This is what I personally can't stand about internet posters. Posting forcefully about things they have done no research on. The borough of the Bronx compared to a number of cities Using total crime as that's what was used. Chances of being a victim of property/violent crime Bronx 1 in 95, 1 in 54 Cleveland 1 in 63, 1 in 16 Denver 1 in 148, 1 in 28 San Francisco 1 in 127, 1 in 16 25% more likely to be a affected by v…

Thank you for putting those statistics in context; I was going to ask StanislavPetrov to do it, given that he was happy enough to reply to my comment with some "research".

This whole thing is turning into a bizarre "у вас негров линчуют" scenario, complete with a Russian name (one that I'm sure the original Petrov - who actually knew enough about what his particular area of expertise to save the world - would have been loathe to see.)

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by pavel_lishin »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #46
pavel_lishin wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's fun to be edgy, but it's even more fun to be pedantic and provide links of what those actual locations look like today: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8265393,-73.9077102,3a,75y,7... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8107336,-73.9187274,3a,75y,1... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8187207,-73.921799,3a,75y,13... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8228232,-73.9165044,3a,75y,3... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.…

>For Bronx, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these c…

Thank you for reframing your argument from "it's still a desolate warzone" down to "crime exists in a major American city".

If I do take a walk, and end up un-mugged, un-raped and un-murdered, will I be able to talk you down to "property values are significantly lower than suburban Connecticut"?

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by cjsawyer »

colordrops wrote: post #3

Seems that there would be quite a bit of historical value to getting everyone to digitize their personal photos and upload them to a shared repository. Has there already been such an effort?

I’d have people uploaded them now and have machine learning work out the stitching later. The sooner we collect data, the older the dataset we will have. People won’t have much incentive to upload things after they die.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #52
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For Bronx, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these c…

This is what I personally can't stand about internet posters. Posting forcefully about things they have done no research on. The borough of the Bronx compared to a number of cities Using total crime as that's what was used. Chances of being a victim of property/violent crime Bronx 1 in 95, 1 in 54 Cleveland 1 in 63, 1 in 16 Denver 1 in 148, 1 in 28 San Francisco 1 in 127, 1 in 16 25% more likely to be a affected by v…

What I personally can't stand are braying internet jackasses who read statistics and try to tell people who actually live somewhere how things are.
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