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Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by FTA »

colordrops wrote: post #3

Seems that there would be quite a bit of historical value to getting everyone to digitize their personal photos and upload them to a shared repository. Has there already been such an effort?

I can't remember the URL and I'm on mobile, but I recall a a site that did this for USSR photos. It was very interesting to see photos of Chernobyl pre-incident.

Unfortunately trying to construct street level from this technique would be difficult as people would have to manually geolocate to an extent, which would generally grow the older the photos are. But I think sites like Mapillary and OpenStreetCam don't have a required freshness of photos, though I've found by accident Mapillary has a minimum at 1 epoch time.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by volkl48 »

dmix wrote: post #30
akgerber wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The incentives weren't just rent control but also white-flight population decline leading to decreased rent rolls leading to reduced property valuations that weren't yet reflected in insurance valuations. And much of that white flight was due to the Federal government funding interstates to the suburbs and subsidizing mortgage loans for whites only that made suburban houses cheaper for white middle-class families to…

> And much of that white flight was due to the Federal government funding interstates to the suburbs and subsidizing mortgage loans for whites only that made suburban houses cheaper for white middle-class families to live in than urban apartments. . That study is for "1934–1968". The civil rights act (1969) made that type of discrimination illegal and included provisions to incentivize the reduction of segregation, y…

Until white people are comfortable living in a 80% minority neighborhood, self-segregation is potentially inevitable regardless of all other factors.

Play with the little simulation at the bottom here: http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg...

Notice how low the similarity percentage has to be to get anything that is remotely integrated.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by volkl48 »

guelo wrote: post #35
apaprocki wrote: post #27

From having browsed through the tax lot photos in the municipal archives from prior generations, it would be fun to see a split view where you browse around both the 1940s and 1980s at the same time. If you browse around 80s Williamsburg photos it is not a place you would want to be. Now every one of those lots would be a minimum of $1M, with waterfront lots in the tens of millions. Pays to play the long game.

In the long game we're all dead.

Not to mention that not everywhere comes back (in said lifetime at least).

The same gamble that paid off in NYC or Boston likely didn't in Baltimore, Detroit, STL, etc. Playing the long game has given you zero or near zero returns for decades there.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by m-j-fox »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #25
dmix wrote: post #15

The South Bronx really was a war-zone. http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8265/-73.9080 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8107/-73.9180 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8188/-73.9217 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8229/-73.9167 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8102/-73.9194 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8152/-73.9165 All of those rent-control incentivized arsons... empty lots with garbage everywhere... dogs running around with no owners visible. Edit: correction, whil…

Have you been there lately? Fewer dogs but still similar.

If anything, there's more dogs.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by pavel_lishin »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #25
dmix wrote: post #15

The South Bronx really was a war-zone. http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8265/-73.9080 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8107/-73.9180 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8188/-73.9217 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8229/-73.9167 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8102/-73.9194 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8152/-73.9165 All of those rent-control incentivized arsons... empty lots with garbage everywhere... dogs running around with no owners visible. Edit: correction, whil…

Have you been there lately? Fewer dogs but still similar.

I know it's fun to be edgy, but it's even more fun to be pedantic and provide links of what those actual locations look like today:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8265393,-73.9077102,3a,75y,7...

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8107336,-73.9187274,3a,75y,1...

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8187207,-73.921799,3a,75y,13...

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8228232,-73.9165044,3a,75y,3...

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8104059,-73.9199855,3a,75y,8...

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8147291,-73.9166855,3a,75y,3...

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #45
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you been there lately? Fewer dogs but still similar.

I know it's fun to be edgy, but it's even more fun to be pedantic and provide links of what those actual locations look like today: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8265393,-73.9077102,3a,75y,7... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8107336,-73.9187274,3a,75y,1... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8187207,-73.921799,3a,75y,13... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8228232,-73.9165044,3a,75y,3... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.…

>For Bronx, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these crimes in Bronx is one in 94.

>NeighborhoodScout's analysis also reveals that Bronx's rate for property crime is 19 per one thousand population. This makes Bronx a place where there is an above average chance of becoming a victim of a property crime, when compared to all other communities in America of all population sizes. Property crimes are motor vehicle theft, arson, larceny, and burglary. Your chance of becoming a victim of any of these crimes in Bronx is one in 54.

Take a walk down there some night and tell me what it looks like up close. Don't bring your wallet.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/bronx/crime

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by dogruck »

adamzerner wrote: post #38

I was expecting a street view like Google Maps. The name seems a bit misleading to me.

Not hating, but I was underwhelmed.

There must be oodles of old NYC photos sitting in various old home photo albums out there. I hope some day they're all digitized and compiled into something like a VR experience. :-)

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by dmix »

volkl48 wrote: post #42
dmix wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And much of that white flight was due to the Federal government funding interstates to the suburbs and subsidizing mortgage loans for whites only that made suburban houses cheaper for white middle-class families to live in than urban apartments. . That study is for "1934–1968". The civil rights act (1969) made that type of discrimination illegal and included provisions to incentivize the reduction of segregation, y…

Until white people are comfortable living in a 80% minority neighborhood, self-segregation is potentially inevitable regardless of all other factors. Play with the little simulation at the bottom here: http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg... Notice how low the similarity percentage has to be to get anything that is remotely integrated.

It likely wouldn't be seen as a 'problem' if economic levels were similar. In Toronto the ethnic enclaves are a highly regarded feature of the city and there is very little tension (if at all). Many of our ethnic groups are doing as well and sometimes better than the native white groups.

It's a natural phenomenon for cultural groups to stick together. I see nothing wrong with that and all groups benefit from the variety in food and festivals.

Although we don't have the super high violence rates that spill over into other neighbourhoods and lower incarceration rates.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Post by AnodyneComplex »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #46
pavel_lishin wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's fun to be edgy, but it's even more fun to be pedantic and provide links of what those actual locations look like today: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8265393,-73.9077102,3a,75y,7... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8107336,-73.9187274,3a,75y,1... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8187207,-73.921799,3a,75y,13... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8228232,-73.9165044,3a,75y,3... https://www.google.com/maps/@40.…

>For Bronx, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these c…

Unless it's gone radically downhill since I was there 4 years ago, it's really just fine...

I mean if you're paranoid about ever having anything happen to you, sure, don't go there. But honestly you should be more worried about heart disease than murder.

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