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French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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xenophobic undertone It's another facet of gentrification. A restaurant owner may really love having a small, local clientele of regulars and a very good atmosphere due to that fact. Then one day he gets awarded a Michelin star and suddenly thousands of tourists descend on his place and swamp it with unwanted business. Is it xenophobic to suggest he might prefer to go back to the previous situation?

Also, if it was xenophobic. So what? Doesn't a businessman have the right to choose who to do business with? I believe free trade is a good thing, but seems like many americans mistook free trade for gunboat diplomacy (see opening of Japan). In my understanding free trade is free as in free will: both parties voluntarily take part in the exchange of goods and services. Also one can be patriotic in a way that he/she (…

> Doesn't a businessman have the right to choose who to do business with?

Depending on the country no. In France at least, that's not how it works.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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>“Japanese food was created here, and only Japanese know it,” Mr. Kadowaki said in an interview. “How can a bunch of foreigners show up and tell us what is good or bad?” I feel like this has a xenophobic undertone to it; nobody's showing up anywhere, it's a guide which attempts to find good restaurants and food around the globe; what makes the Japanese in his view so specially qualified to judge the food? If the food…

Xenophobia could be part of it, but there’s probably an element of disdain (possibly deserved) for people who just chase Michelin restaurants but don’t have the palate necessary to really appreciate the food. An exaggerated analogy: someone who’s never had wine buys a bottle recommended by a highly respected wine expert, tries it, and goes, “Oh, that really is good!”

The solution Ferrari uses to avoid some newly rich entrepreneur buying their limited series super cars is to require buyers to be proper collectors. They can't resell the car within N years, have to own M previous ferraris etc.

This model is harder for restaurants, they actually want to avoid these Pokémon-style foodies and find the people that really appreciate the food. Not sure what the model would be for restaurants. Once you hit 3 stars you stop accepting tourists?

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Why not just do what you like and ignore the stars? This just seems like a weak attitude. "Please, don't judge me anymore I can't take it". If you care, you care, if you don't care you don't care. It's not like Michelin forces him to do anything. Perhaps put a note on the door: "Sorry, I do what I like and at any moment your expectations based on Michelin's stars may be different from what I want to do with my restau…

I wonder if it is the ability to take risks? Here we talk about failing fast. How does a Michelin star restaurant experiment and fail?

Maybe having no stars to worry about would help create the next Momofuku pork bun?

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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> So what? Lots of people don't like xenophobia. > have the right to choose who to do business with? Ah here we go. Like the hoteliers who don't allow gay people to stay ?

The only other option is to government-mandate that, right? Not saying there aren't other unfortunate consequences of allowing a business owner to choose who they serve, but I'd say the larger problem is just that people can be... well... humans aren't great. However, putting the power in the hands of the law probably doesn't fix that. Ultimately, why would you want to support someone who doesn't want you to be there…

It surely helped to change how black people are treated in America, no government-mandate would mean "no blacks allowed" signs still hanging somewhere to this day...

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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French speaker here. He's essentially saying: "At 46 years of age, I want to run my business the same as before (with thanks to Michelin for the acclaim they have afforded us) but without the pressure of the three stars." Totally get it, and totally agree. The meaning I take from the video: "Let us do our best without worrying about being judged every second of every day." Must be exhausting to be in that situation.…

My first inclination is "Why doesn't he just ignore Michelin" but then I realize that a poor ranking in Michelin could do real damage to his business beyond the segment of his guests that is aware of Michelin ratings. Thanks for the translation by the way.

Pretty sure you can't have a "poor Michelin ranking". The restaurants that are judged poorly are not included in the listing at all.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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post #56

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My first inclination is "Why doesn't he just ignore Michelin" but then I realize that a poor ranking in Michelin could do real damage to his business beyond the segment of his guests that is aware of Michelin ratings. Thanks for the translation by the way.

Pretty sure you can't have a "poor Michelin ranking". The restaurants that are judged poorly are not included in the listing at all.

Being stripped of a star sends a very strong signal that the restaurant/chef is in decline. It will certainly be harmful for their reputation and business.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Do you do your best work when someone is constantly hovering over your shoulder with a clipboard, their one off checkmark making or breaking your career? Or do you do your best work when you are free to focus on the problem at hand?

He could just do what he wants anyway, and not care if he loses a couple of stars. There will be one brief period of "OMG, local 3-star restaurant lost ranking" and after that, nothing.

It's a much bigger deal for top-end restaurants than you might think.

(To the detriment of the field, IMO. But I fully admit that is a debatable point.)

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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post #56

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My first inclination is "Why doesn't he just ignore Michelin" but then I realize that a poor ranking in Michelin could do real damage to his business beyond the segment of his guests that is aware of Michelin ratings. Thanks for the translation by the way.

Pretty sure you can't have a "poor Michelin ranking". The restaurants that are judged poorly are not included in the listing at all.

thats not the point. for a three stars loosing a star is loosing money which means loosing quality, you can't afford to pay top notch cooks, they leave, you loose more quality, you have to lower your price, you buy cheaper products, you loose quality...

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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so the new fad will be : I'm so rich I have contacts all over the planets how know about those top restaurant that are fortunately hidden of the Michelin guide. So I can go to top restaurant where there none of these poor customers who can barely afford the 3 stars :-)
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