I am starting to think that someone at HAARP went rogue....
Nobody has done that since patch 2.3.2.
Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
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Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#52Does anyone have any thoughts on any relationships between the recent solar flares and magnetic storms and the hurricanes and Mexican earthquake? Is this coincidence or does major space weather events result in major earth weather? https://www.space.com/38057-sun-unleashes-decades-strongest-...
There's also the eclipse preceding these events. Of course there are relationships, I just don't think most of us (scientists or scientifically inclined) know how to see them, since some of the links are not in the 'rational' space. Shamans still have better answers than scientists to these kinds of questions, but I don't think that most people want to hear the answers. Either way something extraordinary is taking pl…
You can't be serious.
Shamans? You think Shamans are a thing? Not only that, you think they are a better thing than scientists?
What kind of Whacky Friday antics is going on here at HN today?
Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#53Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having subscribed to NOAA's alerts a couple years ago, I would say we might get an event like this once a year or two
Per the link above, this is the 8th most powerful CME hitting earth in recorded history. An X9.3 is not a yearly thing.
How far back does "recorded history" go for these sorts of detailed space weather measurements? The linked #8 ranking seems to be based on 20 years of data
Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Turns out, eclipses have everything to do with solar flares and every other phenomena you observe: You. All of these things happen to you . We've been trained to look at reality as something 'out there', but truth is that reality happens inside your consciousness and it's unclear where mind ends and 'reality' starts. It's unclear if there's anything but consciousness (note that the 'brain' might also be a construct o…
Reality exists independent of the observer. If there is some relationship between eclipses and hurricanes or between solar flares and seismic activity, they existed long before life originated on earth and would continue to exist far beyond our extinction. While we should not discount their possibility without some research, there is not much reason to believe there is such a connection without further evidence.
> Reality exists independent of the observer.
Quantum mechanics would like a word with you.
Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#56Checking the PJM power grid's alerts: Warning: A Geomagnetic Disturbance Warning has been issued for 01:47 on 09.08.2017 through 17:00 on 09.08.2017 . A GMD warning of K7 or greater is in effect for this period. Additional Comments: SpaceWeatherPredictionCenter Extended original Warning of GMD Intensity of K7 or greater until 9/8/17 21:00 UTC (17:00 EDT). Warning: A Geomagnetic Disturbance Warning has been issued for…
There's an app, "PJM Now", for monitoring what PJM is doing.[1][2] But unless you're in the industry you're going to be bored by 99% of what it shows you.
They haven't taken any geomagnetic disturbance actions yet, beyond issuing the warnings above. If this was affecting anything in the power grid, there'd be actions listed. So far, all is quiet.
(Background: PJM runs the wholesale power grid for the northeastern US and part of Canada. They don't own it; there are lots of different companies that own parts of it, and they collectively own PJM. PJM has control of the transmission hardware. The system is run from a control room in Valley Forge, PA and a backup center somewhere else.
They also operate the market in electricity, like a commodity exchange. Generator startup and shutdown decisions are usually made by the owners of units based on current price info. But when there's trouble, the PJM control center can order "conservative operation", which means the control center will tell generators to start up, shut down, or stand by. When they expect trouble, due to weather, high heat, extreme cold, or equipment outages, there will be orders to make preparations.
PJM had a major blackout caused by a geomagnetic disturbance on March 13, 1989. They're very aware of the problem. They have emergency procedures for when it happens again.
So what PJM says is not PR; it's the control room giving orders. If they're not showing emergency conditions in effect, which they're not today, the geomagnetic disturbance isn't hurting the power grid and isn't expected to do so in the near future. Every time somebody posts about some current geomagnetic disturbance, I check PJM's info. If they're not worried in the control room, there's probably not much to worry about.)
[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pjm.pjmnow... [2] https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pjm-now/id1180491584?ls=1&mt...
Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a load of crock. Eclipses have nothing whatsoever to do with solar flares, Shamans are con men and have no answers to anything relevant that scientists could not answer better and most people do not want to hear the answers any more than they want to hear other random bullshit. If the links are not in rational space they do not exist, period.
Turns out, eclipses have everything to do with solar flares and every other phenomena you observe: You. All of these things happen to you . We've been trained to look at reality as something 'out there', but truth is that reality happens inside your consciousness and it's unclear where mind ends and 'reality' starts. It's unclear if there's anything but consciousness (note that the 'brain' might also be a construct o…
You should make sure your carbon monoxide detector is working.
Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reality exists independent of the observer. If there is some relationship between eclipses and hurricanes or between solar flares and seismic activity, they existed long before life originated on earth and would continue to exist far beyond our extinction. While we should not discount their possibility without some research, there is not much reason to believe there is such a connection without further evidence.
> Reality exists independent of the observer. Quantum mechanics would like a word with you.
Quantum mechanics is about probabilities. Just because there's an infinitesimally small probability of something being possible doesn't make it a foregone conclusion.
Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#59Meaning of G4: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/noaa-scales-explanation "Power systems: Possible widespread voltage control problems and some protective systems will mistakenly trip out key assets from the grid. Spacecraft operations: May experience surface charging and tracking problems, corrections may be needed for orientation problems. Other systems: Induced pipeline currents affect preventive measures, HF radio propagat…
> Spacecraft operations: May experience surface charging and tracking problems, corrections may be needed for orientation problems.
What causes the tracking and orientation problems? Are they being pushed, or do satellites control their orbit?
Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also the eclipse preceding these events. Of course there are relationships, I just don't think most of us (scientists or scientifically inclined) know how to see them, since some of the links are not in the 'rational' space. Shamans still have better answers than scientists to these kinds of questions, but I don't think that most people want to hear the answers. Either way something extraordinary is taking pl…
What a load of crock. Eclipses have nothing whatsoever to do with solar flares, Shamans are con men and have no answers to anything relevant that scientists could not answer better and most people do not want to hear the answers any more than they want to hear other random bullshit. If the links are not in rational space they do not exist, period.
Ooo, touched a nerve there I think?
What's the square-root of two?