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Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by rrmm » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:07 PM UTC

eternalban wrote: post #33

This guys [1] apparently predicted the Mexican quake last night. He has an interesting theory regarding connection between Solar activity and earthquakes. Let's hope he's a crank as he's predicting more events for the weekend. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse

Selective recall? Those guys predict a lot of earthquakes. You really have to look at it statistically in terms of all hits and misses of their predictions.

I can predict there will be an earthquake in the pacific ring of the fire in the next 72 hours, but me being right doesn't mean I know anything except that there are a lot of earthquakes in the ring of fire (which is something, but not specific enough to do anything with).

Also, if there is a link between solar activity and earthquakes, earthquakes should show an 11 year cyclic pattern, and they don't.

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by jsjohnst » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:14 PM UTC

lgats wrote: post #35

dbcurtis wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what "these" do we have 100 of? X class flares, or X class flares facing the Earth? Because just by chance we are usually out of harm's way.

Having subscribed to NOAA's alerts a couple years ago, I would say we might get an event like this once a year or two

Per the link above, this is the 8th most powerful CME hitting earth in recorded history. An X9.3 is not a yearly thing.

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by delegate » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:20 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #25

delegate wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also the eclipse preceding these events. Of course there are relationships, I just don't think most of us (scientists or scientifically inclined) know how to see them, since some of the links are not in the 'rational' space. Shamans still have better answers than scientists to these kinds of questions, but I don't think that most people want to hear the answers. Either way something extraordinary is taking pl…

What a load of crock. Eclipses have nothing whatsoever to do with solar flares, Shamans are con men and have no answers to anything relevant that scientists could not answer better and most people do not want to hear the answers any more than they want to hear other random bullshit. If the links are not in rational space they do not exist, period.

Turns out, eclipses have everything to do with solar flares and every other phenomena you observe: You.

All of these things happen to you. We've been trained to look at reality as something 'out there', but truth is that reality happens inside your consciousness and it's unclear where mind ends and 'reality' starts. It's unclear if there's anything but consciousness (note that the 'brain' might also be a construct of consciousness).

Shamans - not the con men - devote their life to studying and sharing the relationship between consciousness, mind, nature/universe, what was before birth and what follows after.

There are tools and practices to take you on these voyages where physics and rationality don't apply and if you go there once... to put it lightly, things won't look the same as they did before.

Not a time and place to go deeper, some answers come when we go on to the next stage, but there's a lot more than what the textbooks teach.

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by colanderman » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

dbcurtis wrote: post #34

colanderman wrote: post #4

Meaning of G4: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/noaa-scales-explanation "Power systems: Possible widespread voltage control problems and some protective systems will mistakenly trip out key assets from the grid. Spacecraft operations: May experience surface charging and tracking problems, corrections may be needed for orientation problems. Other systems: Induced pipeline currents affect preventive measures, HF radio propagat…

what "these" do we have 100 of? X class flares, or X class flares facing the Earth? Because just by chance we are usually out of harm's way.

G4 geomagnetic storms. (I'm just parroting the chart I linked.)

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by colanderman » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:23 PM UTC

meseznik wrote: post #37

colanderman wrote: post #4

Meaning of G4: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/noaa-scales-explanation "Power systems: Possible widespread voltage control problems and some protective systems will mistakenly trip out key assets from the grid. Spacecraft operations: May experience surface charging and tracking problems, corrections may be needed for orientation problems. Other systems: Induced pipeline currents affect preventive measures, HF radio propagat…

Apparently there are 100 of these per 11-year solar cycle. Seems that there are much more than 100 flares each cycle: https://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/hessidata/dbase/hessi_flare_l... It also seems that flares above X2.2 are quite rare. There have been only 10 of those since 2008: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle_24#Events The latest flare, measured at X9.3 is VERY rare: https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/sol…

G4 geomagnetic storms, not flares.

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:29 PM UTC

delegate wrote: post #43

jacquesm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a load of crock. Eclipses have nothing whatsoever to do with solar flares, Shamans are con men and have no answers to anything relevant that scientists could not answer better and most people do not want to hear the answers any more than they want to hear other random bullshit. If the links are not in rational space they do not exist, period.

Turns out, eclipses have everything to do with solar flares and every other phenomena you observe: You. All of these things happen to you . We've been trained to look at reality as something 'out there', but truth is that reality happens inside your consciousness and it's unclear where mind ends and 'reality' starts. It's unclear if there's anything but consciousness (note that the 'brain' might also be a construct o…

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Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by god_bless_texas » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:31 PM UTC

I was flying both a manned aircraft yesterday as well as a very expensive drone. I saw some really weird stuff all day long on both of them.

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by brandon272 » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:33 PM UTC

god_bless_texas wrote: post #47

I was flying both a manned aircraft yesterday as well as a very expensive drone. I saw some really weird stuff all day long on both of them.

Do solar flares affect commercial airliners?

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by xtreme » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

delegate wrote: post #43

jacquesm wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a load of crock. Eclipses have nothing whatsoever to do with solar flares, Shamans are con men and have no answers to anything relevant that scientists could not answer better and most people do not want to hear the answers any more than they want to hear other random bullshit. If the links are not in rational space they do not exist, period.

Turns out, eclipses have everything to do with solar flares and every other phenomena you observe: You. All of these things happen to you . We've been trained to look at reality as something 'out there', but truth is that reality happens inside your consciousness and it's unclear where mind ends and 'reality' starts. It's unclear if there's anything but consciousness (note that the 'brain' might also be a construct o…

Reality exists independent of the observer. If there is some relationship between eclipses and hurricanes or between solar flares and seismic activity, they existed long before life originated on earth and would continue to exist far beyond our extinction. While we should not discount their possibility without some research, there is not much reason to believe there is such a connection without further evidence.

Re: Continued G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storming Observed

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Post by Loic » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #11

Animats wrote: post #9

Checking the PJM power grid's alerts: Warning: A Geomagnetic Disturbance Warning has been issued for 01:47 on 09.08.2017 through 17:00 on 09.08.2017 . A GMD warning of K7 or greater is in effect for this period. Additional Comments: SpaceWeatherPredictionCenter Extended original Warning of GMD Intensity of K7 or greater until 9/8/17 21:00 UTC (17:00 EDT). Warning: A Geomagnetic Disturbance Warning has been issued for…

How common are long-distance DC lines and what are they used for? My understanding is that the vast majority of power infrastructure is AC, and long distances are using High Voltage AC lines

In Europe you start to see some projects like that to connect renewable energy sources to consumption areas. The last notable one has a 1.4GW capacity[0] between France and Spain.

[0]: http://www.eib.org/infocentre/stories/all/2015-february-02/c...