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US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

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Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

#51
Outside/In interviewed some miners and families recently. It's phenomenal radio, actually talking to the people everyone else just talks about.

I haven't been able to get it out of my mind.

http://outsideinradio.org/shows/ep34

Note, I know this isn't 1:1, not about the communities surrounding mountaintop removal, but there are some good notes in it about modern changes to mining techniques all the same.

Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

#52
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The study's budget was only $1m. Seems like the readership of HN could easily pull that money together and donate the funding, if the researchers could accept it.

I'd be surprised if this "community" could gather money for anything remotely useful. Also: I'd like to see the outcome of a fundraising, and the demographics of the donators, to see how many pledge outside of CA, and outside of the USA. This would give me an impression about the extent of the Trump is Satan and the world is about to end mindset. (imho nothing changes, things proceed with trump as before. business as…

You're not thinking strategically. The US is one of the biggest emitters of CO2, and coal plants are about 1/3 of that. If the study can convince the population to reduce their use, even if with a different argument, that's helpful for the whole planet.

Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

#53

The information age is built on gathering raw data and doing pure research, neither of which are profitable activities. The implied threshold for wastefulness here is offensively low; basically any project that might require one moderately competent PhD researcher for a year.

You hit the nail on the head, pure research is not a profitable activity. This is why we can't trust companies and corporations to research.. their motives are almost always profit driven. This only underlines the importance of government funded research, and the need to have a government in place who is willing to put the advancement of our society over their own personal gain (We don't have that right now..).

Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

#54

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I'd be surprised if this "community" could gather money for anything remotely useful. Also: I'd like to see the outcome of a fundraising, and the demographics of the donators, to see how many pledge outside of CA, and outside of the USA. This would give me an impression about the extent of the Trump is Satan and the world is about to end mindset. (imho nothing changes, things proceed with trump as before. business as…

You're not thinking strategically. The US is one of the biggest emitters of CO2, and coal plants are about 1/3 of that. If the study can convince the population to reduce their use, even if with a different argument, that's helpful for the whole planet.

And what different argument? By giving them away money for free in addition to the amounts they ransack from the rest of the world already? (just think about 1$ = 1€ as an example)

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#55
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What are they afraid of? It's too dark down in a coal mine to read any health studies anyway!

The article is about surface mining and its effects on the local surrounding communities not about underground mining.

Ah, it was hard to read because of all the soot in my eyes.

Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

#56

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You're not thinking strategically. The US is one of the biggest emitters of CO2, and coal plants are about 1/3 of that. If the study can convince the population to reduce their use, even if with a different argument, that's helpful for the whole planet.

And what different argument? By giving them away money for free in addition to the amounts they ransack from the rest of the world already? (just think about 1$ = 1€ as an example)

If the investment worked, sure. Cutting off the nose to spite the face is silly.

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#57
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> can projects that the current government doesn't like. All administrations do that.

Most administrations aren't so destructively anti-science as this one.

Reagan was pretty bad.

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#58
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I was eating dinner with two doctors about a month ago, and they were discussing this. They said it was difficult to prove that coal mining causes things like lung cancer in the miners themselves because it is just about impossible to find a coal miner who doesn't smoke.

So what you're saying is coal mining causes smoking.

Correlation causation.

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I'd be surprised if this "community" could gather money for anything remotely useful. Also: I'd like to see the outcome of a fundraising, and the demographics of the donators, to see how many pledge outside of CA, and outside of the USA. This would give me an impression about the extent of the Trump is Satan and the world is about to end mindset. (imho nothing changes, things proceed with trump as before. business as…

You're not thinking strategically. The US is one of the biggest emitters of CO2, and coal plants are about 1/3 of that. If the study can convince the population to reduce their use, even if with a different argument, that's helpful for the whole planet.

James Cromwell was arrested for protesting a dirty and unnecessary coal power plant in NY, but I don't think it made a difference. I think academic research that's newsworthy has much more and different punch than direct action. Using the existing broadcasting platforms scales more that all the screaming and picketing in Times Square, grandmas with prayer stick beaten down, dogs dripping with human blood or girls arms blown off when the news isn't watching.
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