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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by gist »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

> Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail

So you are suggesting that they harm their own business interests? For how long exactly?

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Post by lostlogin »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

The problem with this is that the people who Google makes money from often aren't the biggest users, that would be blocking the users rather than the customers. I'm unsure if that matters, it would certainly be a massive wake up call to a lot of people.

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Post by aidenn0 »

HugoDaniel wrote: post #27
rtx wrote: post #7

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IzN9tst28

So the FCC chairman does not know the difference between a circuit switching network (telephone) and a packet switching network (internet). He then insists in using it as the base example for his argumentation against net neutrality...

Much of the telephone network is also packet switched these days anyways.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by Tasboo »

bobcallme wrote: post #32

"Net Neutrality" in its final form did not solve or fix any problems with the Internet. The definition of "Net Neutrality" is poorly defined, too vague and does not have any proposed legislation attached to "fix" things. Even when new rules were implemented, ISPs still throttled torrents and manipulated traffic. The only way to fix the Internet is to do so from a technical perspective, not by adding more regulations…

So since it doesn't do everything you want you are totally against it?

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Post by heydonovan »

The marketing for Net Neutrality is very poor. Just asked a few non-technical friends about it. A few responded with "Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?". Now if all their favorite websites were shutdown for a day, that would get everyones attention.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by tdb7893 »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Wouldn't that both be horrible for business and also run them into major anti-trust issues?

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Post by scottLobster »

ABCLAW wrote: post #49
code777777 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need a new term and perhaps a visceral, easily understandable metaphor. Common Joe just doesn't get it or know what we're talking about. He instantly gets "death panel" or "fake news." But net neutrality sounds like something fuzzy almost benign.

I've always thought "Anti-Internet Racketeering" described the issue and ramifications pretty succinctly.

Too many syllables for a good slogan. Need something like "It's my internet!" or "Fight internet extortion!"

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Post by bnewbold »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality.

Also, the belief that there would be "competitors in the user's area that don't play stupid games" that offer comparable services (eg, within a factor of 5x bandwidth-per-dollar value) seems to be a misunderstanding of the utility/monopoly/duopoly economics in play in many regions of the USA.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

dragonwriter wrote: post #42
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #12

Thanks in part to net neutrality, the open internet has grown to become an unrivaled source of choice, competition, innovation, free expression, and opportunity. Unless my history is wrong, and please correct me if that is the case, until the Title II decision in 2015, there were no regulations preventing an ISP from discriminating network traffic. So to say that Net Neutrality has been key to an open internet from 1…

Net neutrality regulations were adopted to protect (and in some degree restore) the net neutrality condition ; the internet was largely neutral from its inception; though by the early 00s threats to neutrality in practice were becoming clear, and the FCC began discussion the issue, adopting open internet principles that it first attempted to promote via case-by-case action (which was limited by the courts), then Titl…

So if I understand your point here, it's basically that ISPs had an informal "code of conduct" if you will, that "All packets are created equal." That this was an informal contract with the users that everyone tacitly agreed to - what you state as a condition.

Starting in the early 2000s however some groups started breaking that informal contract and the goal in the early 2000s was to codify that into law.

So "net neutrality" in this case is trying to make a formal system out of what would be considered common law.

Makes sense holistically. Thanks.

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