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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by code777777 »

ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

I think we need a new term and perhaps a visceral, easily understandable metaphor.

Common Joe just doesn't get it or know what we're talking about.

He instantly gets "death panel" or "fake news." But net neutrality sounds like something fuzzy almost benign.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by dragonwriter »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #12

Thanks in part to net neutrality, the open internet has grown to become an unrivaled source of choice, competition, innovation, free expression, and opportunity. Unless my history is wrong, and please correct me if that is the case, until the Title II decision in 2015, there were no regulations preventing an ISP from discriminating network traffic. So to say that Net Neutrality has been key to an open internet from 1…

Net neutrality regulations were adopted to protect (and in some degree restore) the net neutrality condition; the internet was largely neutral from its inception; though by the early 00s threats to neutrality in practice were becoming clear, and the FCC began discussion the issue, adopting open internet principles that it first attempted to promote via case-by-case action (which was limited by the courts), then Title I regulation (which was struck down by the courts) in 2010.

There's considerable reason to believe that even without enforceable rules, the attention and active policy activity directed at enforceable rules inhibited non-neutral action by ISPs compared to what it would have been without that activity.

> So to say that Net Neutrality has been key to an open internet from 1980-2015 seems without merit.

To say net neutrality regulations have been would be without merit, sure. To say net neutrality has been, OTOH, is factually true.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by dragonwriter »

code777777 wrote: post #41
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

I think we need a new term and perhaps a visceral, easily understandable metaphor. Common Joe just doesn't get it or know what we're talking about. He instantly gets "death panel" or "fake news." But net neutrality sounds like something fuzzy almost benign.

“Open Internet” is good, and is what the FCC policy focus has always been labelled.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by SolarNet »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #12

Thanks in part to net neutrality, the open internet has grown to become an unrivaled source of choice, competition, innovation, free expression, and opportunity. Unless my history is wrong, and please correct me if that is the case, until the Title II decision in 2015, there were no regulations preventing an ISP from discriminating network traffic. So to say that Net Neutrality has been key to an open internet from 1…

There were net neutrality actions before 2015, and net neutrality has applied ever since they were using phone lines for internet service (as, for example, those - phones - are where the original legislation was targeted, and where net neutrality came from). The 2015 Title II was a specific decision about specific ISPs (namely mobile data plans).

So yes you are wrong.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by merb »

lossolo wrote: post #20
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

Google has global network with their caches everywhere. If you want private peering with google you can have it for free, they will not pay for peering with you. I know an example in one of Eu countries in which big ISP wanted google to pay them for private peering, this ISP had around 40% of internet market in this country. Google said no and this isp is peering with google for free now, while charging other compani…

> this ISP had around 40% of internet market in this country

oh I tought it is way more than 40%. well the problem is the other providers are not (that) better options either.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

rflrob wrote: post #34
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #12

Thanks in part to net neutrality, the open internet has grown to become an unrivaled source of choice, competition, innovation, free expression, and opportunity. Unless my history is wrong, and please correct me if that is the case, until the Title II decision in 2015, there were no regulations preventing an ISP from discriminating network traffic. So to say that Net Neutrality has been key to an open internet from 1…

Even though there were no explicit rules requiring something, there were nevertheless unofficial norms that were followed. If (almost) everyone does something without a rule, then making a rule is pointless. But when you get enough people skirting those norms, it then becomes necessary to codify them. For instance, the Special Prosecutor law that Ken Starr operated under was put in place in the wake of Watergate and…

But when you get enough people skirting those norms, it then becomes necessary to codify them.

Is that what was happening, because if so it was never made clear to me. The first I remember this coming up was with the internet "lanes." AFAIK, again tell me where I'm wrong here please, there was nothing preventing an ISP from creating a "fast lane" before 2015.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by openloop »

I am starting a small business. One of the decisions I must account for is network performance versus price. Perhaps I choose to partner with a company that my network deprioritizes. I am already at a disadvantage because I cannot afford to run my own lines cross state like large corporations.

These same corporations can invest or purchase smaller new buisness and enhance their portfolio. Some already support network neutrality as they understand this.

I know my buisness depends upon my own effort. But I am sure many other small buisness owners face the same difficulty.

I know it is hard to be fair and objective in allowing access to the entire electromagnetic spectrum.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

SolarNet wrote: post #44
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #12

Thanks in part to net neutrality, the open internet has grown to become an unrivaled source of choice, competition, innovation, free expression, and opportunity. Unless my history is wrong, and please correct me if that is the case, until the Title II decision in 2015, there were no regulations preventing an ISP from discriminating network traffic. So to say that Net Neutrality has been key to an open internet from 1…

There were net neutrality actions before 2015, and net neutrality has applied ever since they were using phone lines for internet service (as, for example, those - phones - are where the original legislation was targeted, and where net neutrality came from). The 2015 Title II was a specific decision about specific ISPs (namely mobile data plans). So yes you are wrong.

There were net neutrality actions before 2015

Actions such as what? I'm talking specifically about regulations that prevent a company from throttling traffic in a discriminatory way.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by ABCLAW »

code777777 wrote: post #41
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

I think we need a new term and perhaps a visceral, easily understandable metaphor. Common Joe just doesn't get it or know what we're talking about. He instantly gets "death panel" or "fake news." But net neutrality sounds like something fuzzy almost benign.

I've always thought "Anti-Internet Racketeering" described the issue and ramifications pretty succinctly.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by openloop »

I am starting a small business. One of the decisions I must account for is network performance versus price. Perhaps I choose to partner with a company that my network deprioritizes. I am already at a disadvantage because I cannot afford to run my own lines or peer like large corporations.

These same corporations can invest or purchase smaller new buisness and enhance their portfolio. Some already support network neutrality as they understand this.

I know my buisness depends upon my own effort. But I am sure many other small buisness owners face the same difficulty.

I know it is hard to be fair and objective in allowing access to the entire electromagnetic spectrum. Thanks for the article.

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