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The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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This author is the founder of winrumors.

While he was running an exchange server, I was learning to program because I couldn't afford server software. I wanted to be the guy running an exchange server too. I wanted to run all sorts of stuff I couldn't afford. But I got my hands on visual studio 97 instead.

I home schooled, and worked as a tech at a sort of server junk shop in Dallas (what many may not know about Dallas is that it's city built on telecom). They would purchase computers from companies going out of business, refurbish, and resell them. I was 14, and paid in cash or store credit. My room was also full of servers and networking equipment. I bought as many of the servers that weren't selling as I could.

My friends and I watched the 1995 film "hackers" on repeat as if it were a new religion. We had LAN parties most weekends, and a lot of my equipment became "mobile". At any one time, I always had a "best" server that was stripped down for transport (which changed every time I could get my hands on something more powerful) and a bucket of switches and ethernet cables. Reminiscing is fun.

By the time the iPhone released, I was 7 years into my professional programming career writing desktop and server software. I completely ignored the iPhone. The idea was cool, it certainly looked cool, but the system itself was an appliance. I didn't believe in computing appliances. I still have little to no interest in mobile as it currently exists, and I don't regret it.

In my opinion, Apple's innovation wasn't the iPhone. It wasn't the app store. It was getting carriers to subsidize a $1,000 pocket computer and call it a phone. It makes sense, if you were building a $1k computer (that is actually worth a grand) to fit in consumer's pockets that you'd want to build in a store so you can make your money back. This business model already existed in gaming consoles (in consoles a majority of their money is made in licensing software). It was obvious it was going to sell like hotcakes. Unfortunately, this cemented the iPhone's appliance nature. They HAVE to be accessible. They HAVE to be secure. They HAVE to have long battery life. Those elements can only be maintained if they are viciously protected. I can get my windows machine to do whatever I want. The limit is physics and my imagination. I can get an iPhone to do what apple approves.

From a consumer perspective I understand that mobile is awesome. Everything is bite-sized and convenient. From a programmer's perspective, I can't help but see your phone as a toy computer, and "apps" as software appetizers. That may change, and I would welcome the change. As it stands, the walled garden, battery life, and touch inputs keep it at toy status for me.

I'm 34 now. When I started my career, the young programmers were 34. I was mentored by greybeards in their 40's and 50's. Now 34 is the beginning of being old. I don't meet many programmers over 40 anymore. I do the work the "young" guys are afraid of. I write the heavy math. I do the memory optimization. I do the complex multi-threading. I build the novel features. I write the code you can't copy and paste from stack overflow. I fix the fuck-ups. Maybe that's because the iPhone never killed my inner nerd.

When I was young I programmed because I couldn't afford the real stuff. Now when I program (outside of paid work) it's because the next real stuff doesn't exist yet.

I'll be really sad if the future truly is your phone as an interface streaming data to and from cloud processing. I can't help but feel like it's a step back.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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I get it. I only started programming precisely when the first iphone came out, and I started tinkering a few years before. Even so I long for this sense of wonder that existed when everything was hard, or at least required some thought and ingenuity. I know the raspberry pie and stuff are a way to do that, but it feels so artificial and fake. (No, this comment really has no other point but to evoke diffuse nostalgic…

Raspberry pi and similar are not fake if you actually want something of this form factor (not full PC size, and not a smartphone you would build into the wall...) to run some particular job in your house or elsewhere.

You guys are all comparing hardware platforms. Isn't it the OS that makes the difference? Linux being the most developer friendly these days to the point its almost expected that you know the basics to get some stuff done.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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>Apple’s iPhone has been on the market for 10 years now, and it hasn’t experienced a single instance of a mass malware attack like we’ve seen twice in the past month on Windows PCs. >Sure, there have been vulnerabilities, bugs, and near misses, but nobody has been forced to pay $300 to unlock their iPhone after a huge malware attack. I feel the article is disingenuous by comparing a phone to a PC.

Remember that WRONG idea that windows have a lot of virus because is more popular?

This is why is valid.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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Why would he reference Linux? His point was that his needs are met without having to tinker. His needs drove his inner nerd. Introducing Linux into his environment so that he would be forced to tinker would be backwards.

So maybe I didn't get his point at all. I thought that he was upset with the fact that new gadgets would be turning him into a plain user (and a consumer...) and reducing the tinker inner nerd facet of his life. If he is pleased that now he doesn't need to build/keep those 5 boxes in his room and just have an iPhone in his pocket, well, then I missed the point badly.

I read it as just a fact-of-life statement about how the iPhone has obviated his need to tinker. He may feel nostalgic about it, but I didn't read "upset" in there... certainly not that he's looking for ways to make his life more nerdy by contriving reasons to tinker.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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Honestly, this recent nerd obsession with using hideously complex technology to control your home lighting is extremely funny. It's the idea of going to all this effort just to be able to do some not-very-useful things. You're running an entire embedded computer to control a single light bulb. Just hilarious.

Similar arguments can be made for most new technologies. When the critique isn't over utility, it is almost certainly over disproportionately high costs. The important things are to understand why things are done the way they are and how it will progress in the future. I suspect that the long term utility for home automation is for managing energy use, rather than the gimmicky stuff that we are being sold on today. T…

It's like the bip-bop phones vs the iphone.

I get that you want the iphone now. I didn't get why would you buy the bip-bop phone then.

Yet you need people that does by the unpractical, expensive, mostly useless, polluting first versions of a concept for it to develop into something society needs.

My first comment still stand though.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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Author realizes he can't do anything worthwhile with his technical skills that isn't provided by the market (reading emails on phones). The market is working, but you lose that sense of elite-ness and accomplishment.

I'll bet that many people who used to get excited about building Linux based home media servers are now satisfied with Netflix or Prime.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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I started with a TI-99/4a back in 1983 at six years old; I've forgotten most of what I learned as a child tinkering with BASIC and later with DOS/Windows machines. I learned early on that programming wasn't for me, but I love hardware hacking and use those skills daily. > I know the raspberry pie and stuff are a way to do that, but it feels so artificial and fake. The Raspberry Pi came about as the result of obscure,…

The BeagleBoard and BeagleBone predated the Raspberry Pi, and those were well documented and supported. They're actually better documented because they don't depend on proprietary Broadcom firmware to boot (a Free software replacement is in development but not yet usable for most people). The Raspberry Pi was more successful mostly because it was so much cheaper.

Yep, I was close to buying a BeagleBoard when the RPi was announced, and I went with the Pi instead. At the time, the BeagleBoard was the more powerful and entrenched option, and it was fine for experts, but it was a non-starter for beginners. That's the magic formula the RPi Foundation put together: Cheap (basically loss-leader), easy to understand and bootstrap, and fully supported by the creators.

I get that the Pi is looked down upon by some because of the closed nature of its GPU, but most of the other SBC/SoC manufacturers are also releasing closed source boards and some are even violating the GPL. I believe Bunnie Huang's Novena is the only 100% open source (hardware and software) dev board on the market today.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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So maybe I didn't get his point at all. I thought that he was upset with the fact that new gadgets would be turning him into a plain user (and a consumer...) and reducing the tinker inner nerd facet of his life. If he is pleased that now he doesn't need to build/keep those 5 boxes in his room and just have an iPhone in his pocket, well, then I missed the point badly.

I read it as just a fact-of-life statement about how the iPhone has obviated his need to tinker. He may feel nostalgic about it, but I didn't read "upset" in there... certainly not that he's looking for ways to make his life more nerdy by contriving reasons to tinker.

Ok, fair enough.

Re: The iPhone killed my inner nerd

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Also, modern cars with their proverbial weld-shut hoods have killed my inner mechanical engineer.

Get a Jeep Wrangler. Though the engine is highly computer controlled and "hands off", you can have a lot of fun bolting everything you can imagine onto the Jeep itself. I added a pop-top roof, solar panels, dual batteries, a water tank,pump and filtration system, interior cabinets, a fridge, new suspension, bumpers, a winch and a whole lot more to mine! All the details here: http://theroadchoseme.com/the-jeep I desig…

Oh hey! Following you on youtube. Fan of the wiki. Didn't know you were on HN too.
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