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Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S

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Re: Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S

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Post by lacampbell »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #31
BadassFractal wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islam is a religion, not a race. Being an illegal immigrant is a form of legal status, not a race. Calling someone a racist every single time we disagree with them is part of the problem.

> Islam is a religion, not a race. ... Calling someone a racist Statement: "Since Islam is a religion and not a race, Islamophobia is not racism" That sounds logically true, but in your heart you know it's false. > Calling someone a racist every single time we disagree "every single time we disagree" is more misdirection in this context.

That sounds logically true, but in your heart you know it's false.

Can you see into peoples hearts?

Are you using alternate logic?

Re: Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S

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Post by arkitaip »

whack wrote: post #13
dwightgunning wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also read the same regarding minority religions. Although the price I saw was only citing a draft of the executive order. I wonder when, they haven't already, publish the final version. The countries to which the bans apply are all majority Muslim, so the exemption would apply to non-Muslims.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511903885/... " Trump's Refugee Plan Will Prioritize Christians Suffering Religious Persecution " The precise wording of the order/legislation may not mention any specific religion, but the intent is clear. Specific countries will be targeted, and exceptions within those countries will be granted, to ensure that Muslims aren't able to get in but Christians can sail ri…

Expect to see lots of recently converted Christians...

Re: Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S

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Post by cronjobber »

stupidcar wrote: post #27
cronjobber wrote: post #23

Over the top political agitation like this (or Scott Aaronson's from yesterday) used to get flagged reliably. Why not anymore?

Because it's no longer over the top?

If you mean that "elected president is literally Hitler" and related themes have been mainstreamed so thoroughly and quickly as to be the new normal already... I think you should be afraid of the power of the press more than of any merely elected president.

Re: Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S

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Post by DanBC »

Veratyr wrote: post #33
matt4077 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackers are people, my friend.

So are all the other people on earth. There are other outlets for general interest news. The appeal of HN to me is that it's limited specifically to tech-related news.

You're probably right that this article is off-topic and should be flagged, but this...

> The appeal of HN to me is that it's limited specifically to tech-related news.

...is wrong. The guidelines have said for years that on-topic is:

> Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Re: Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S

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Post by pavlov »

BadassFractal wrote: post #18
octonion wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being a racist jackass makes you "liberal"? Is that a "fact" or an "alternative fact"?

Islam is a religion, not a race. Being an illegal immigrant is a form of legal status, not a race. Calling someone a racist every single time we disagree with them is part of the problem.

Judaism is also a religion, not a race. Do you believe that antisemitism is entirely unconnected to racism?

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Post by madaxe_again »

dublinclontarf wrote: post #47
davidf18 wrote: post #34

Under the British Mandate of The League of Nations Britain was obligated to allow Jewish immigration to what is now Israel. In fact originally Hitler wanted European Jews to go there. But the British broke their mandate with "The White Paper" in 1939 which severely limited Jewish immigration to their land. If America had run the mandate instead of the British there probably would not have been The Holocaust and many…

If only Britain, France or the US had stopped Germany with force when it invaded the Rhineland, then the war may never have happened.

If only the Dawes and Young plans didn't make another war inevitable, solely to generate wealth for US businesses.

We can go on in this silly vein all day...

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Post by 77pt77 »

arkitaip wrote: post #52
whack wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511903885/... " Trump's Refugee Plan Will Prioritize Christians Suffering Religious Persecution " The precise wording of the order/legislation may not mention any specific religion, but the intent is clear. Specific countries will be targeted, and exceptions within those countries will be granted, to ensure that Muslims aren't able to get in but Christians can sail ri…

Expect to see lots of recently converted Christians...

I wouldn't put it past the authorities to implement something along the lines of a "bacon test".

These were common during the inquisition to test convert Jews.

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Post by PoarNeemn »

w00tw00tw00t wrote: post #36

Saudi men committed the terrorist act of 9/11 and the Orlando shooter was of Afghani origin. But Trump banned people from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Yemen & Sudan. What kind of logic is that? I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that the United States of America should ban people based on their country of origin. That is UnAmerican. But I do find the above illogical and very fishy.

I agree he should have banned all muslims. They are all latent terrorists.

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Post by madaxe_again »

jypepin wrote: post #28
matt4077 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackers are people, my friend.

Although I enjoyed this article and don't mind seeing it on hacker news, I can understand the question tho, and actually have found myself wonder about it. of course we are human, but it's called "hacker news" and I guess people expect computer related news here. Just like when I visit soccer.com, I'm not expecting news about AI or Anne Frank :) So it's not about being people too, it's about the subject focused (or a…

Hackers/technocrats armed the Wehrmacht, built The Bomb, developed chemical and biological weapons, and have an awful tendency to go "me, I just make the widget. What they use it for is their problem."

Therefore it's important that we talk about these things.

Re: Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S

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Post by jonathanstrange »

Veratyr wrote: post #33
matt4077 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackers are people, my friend.

So are all the other people on earth. There are other outlets for general interest news. The appeal of HN to me is that it's limited specifically to tech-related news.

I just don't get these types of complaints (on dying ./ they are doing the same thing over and over). There are hundreds of tech-related stories every day and it's not as if somebody forces you to click on the Anne Frank link so you can complain about it.
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