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Re: California Secession Making Headway in Silicon Valley Community

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Post by relics443 »

Hyperborian wrote: post #48
mc32 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you overestimate it. People who go into the military are more conservative than liberal, on average. They are more patriotic on average and on top of that they are part of the _federal_ government and take orders from them. I don't see many, or any significant amount going rogue and having a mutiny to please the desires of elites in California they probably have little in common with. It's not like the milita…

> People who go into the military are more conservative than liberal, on average. In-group loyalty is paramount to conservatives. Family and community first, and all that. > They are more patriotic on average... Exactly, and that supports my argument. If California declares independence, then the patriots from California will either side with their homeland, their communities, the places where their families are... o…

And you're ignoring the fact that the family of a conservative service member is most likely conservative as well.

Re: California Secession Making Headway in Silicon Valley Community

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Post by relics443 »

Hyperborian wrote: post #46
relics443 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually think that active duty service members would secede along with their home state? Or that the military would allow it?

Ah, yes, if only the British had responded to the American rebellion by "not allowing it", then the US would have never existed. That sounds reasonable.

You're making assumptions about what I said. The US army wouldn't give its soldiers a choice of seceding or not. Using your logic that would be like Britain preventing its soldiers from joining the revolution, which most definitely happened.

Re: California Secession Making Headway in Silicon Valley Community

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Post by mc32 »

Hyperborian wrote: post #48
mc32 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you overestimate it. People who go into the military are more conservative than liberal, on average. They are more patriotic on average and on top of that they are part of the _federal_ government and take orders from them. I don't see many, or any significant amount going rogue and having a mutiny to please the desires of elites in California they probably have little in common with. It's not like the milita…

> People who go into the military are more conservative than liberal, on average. In-group loyalty is paramount to conservatives. Family and community first, and all that. > They are more patriotic on average... Exactly, and that supports my argument. If California declares independence, then the patriots from California will either side with their homeland, their communities, the places where their families are... o…

I hope you're just being argumentative and obtuse on purpose. I'd wager most Californians in the US armed forces have greater allegiance to the country than to the state. First and foremost they see themselves as Americans and secondly as whatever state they are from.

People in the armed forces are US military, not CA military, so going rogue would be the ones going against the US. The logic is easy to follow.

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