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Epsilon Programmer's Editor

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Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#51
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to point out, the binding for undo in emacs is C-X u.

Actually, the primary binding is 'C-/', with 'C-x u' and 'C-_' as alaises. The 'C-x u' alias exists because it's easier for new users to remember and the 'C-_' alias exists because that's what some terminals send when you press 'C-/'.

cough M-x cua-mode cough...

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#52
post #31

Sometimes programmers need to look at unusual files: binary files, very big files, odd data files. Epsilon was designed without the limits of other editors, so it can handle these kinds of jobs, as well as ordinary files. For example, with Epsilon, lines can be as long as you like. This text editor gets it. Such a contrast to some of the editors we have today where anything over a few megabytes is an edge case not wo…

Really? I loaded a 1.2GB ISO in the demo and it used… 1.2GB of RAM. (At least it worked though, coughAtomcough.) And more importantly it has no unicode support whatsoever as far as I can tell (any non-ASCII characters I typed showed up as ?).

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#53
post #31

Sometimes programmers need to look at unusual files: binary files, very big files, odd data files. Epsilon was designed without the limits of other editors, so it can handle these kinds of jobs, as well as ordinary files. For example, with Epsilon, lines can be as long as you like. This text editor gets it. Such a contrast to some of the editors we have today where anything over a few megabytes is an edge case not wo…

Wouldn't a hex editor be a better choice for binary files and odd data files? Are there benefits besides the ability to handle large files and long lines?

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#54
post #39

I'll stick with Emacs for now. $250 is a bit heavy for those of us with little disposable income. In addition, I fail to see the advantage of this over Emacs: Emacs already has pretty much all of Epsilon's features, and a larger community. Furthermore, I highly doubt that its extensibility features are as extensive. It's kinda cool, though. Sidenote: why do I always see the HN headlines up to a day ahead in the previ…

Epsilon is very fast, like coming up in a second. Emacs takes tens of seconds up to a minute. You start Emacs and hope to never shut it down. With epsilon you can start it on a file quickly and move on.

> Emacs takes tens of seconds up to a minute.

I need to seriously rethink my Emacs configuration. I thought I had a lot of packages and elisp scripts loaded at startup, but I don't think I ever hit the 5-second mark. Emacs starting up a whole minute? What great packages am I missing?

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#55
post #52
post #31

Sometimes programmers need to look at unusual files: binary files, very big files, odd data files. Epsilon was designed without the limits of other editors, so it can handle these kinds of jobs, as well as ordinary files. For example, with Epsilon, lines can be as long as you like. This text editor gets it. Such a contrast to some of the editors we have today where anything over a few megabytes is an edge case not wo…

Really? I loaded a 1.2GB ISO in the demo and it used… 1.2GB of RAM. (At least it worked though, cough Atom cough .) And more importantly it has no unicode support whatsoever as far as I can tell (any non-ASCII characters I typed showed up as ?).

> I loaded a 1.2GB ISO in the demo and it used… 1.2GB of RAM.

And what you expect here? Other editors usually take 2x to 3x of file size.

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#56
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I loaded a 1.2GB ISO in the demo and it used… 1.2GB of RAM. (At least it worked though, cough Atom cough .) And more importantly it has no unicode support whatsoever as far as I can tell (any non-ASCII characters I typed showed up as ?).

> I loaded a 1.2GB ISO in the demo and it used… 1.2GB of RAM. And what you expect here? Other editors usually take 2x to 3x of file size.

For massive text files, this is your friend: http://jujusoft.com/jujuedit/

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#57
post #30

The OSX deployment not being a "verified developer" shuts down anyone in an enterprise environment. That's too bad, I wanted to try it at work.

That's interesting, and fairly dystopian — you're not allowed to run any software on your computer that isn't signed by Apple? Can you install, say, VirtualBox?

Leaving aside the "signed by Apple" angle, I find it ironic in modern companies that many of them spend a lot of money finding people to work for them, then they spend money paying those people, and then they spend more money making it as hard as humanly possible for those people to do their jobs.

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#58
post #23

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Why do you prefer it over regular Emacs? How is it better enough to make up for the much larger collection of extensions for Emacs? The demo for me just felt like a snappier Emacs clone.

Well, the first N specific things that come to mind have already been expressed pretty well by previous comments here (including your own "snappier"). The next 10*N things are already expressed pretty well in the 2009-format-but-still-valid-content marketroid material on lugaru.com. As it happens, I haven't found a need to explore a universe of community extensions because right out of the "box" Epsilon does nearly e…

I can understand and respect that you're reluctant to write an endorsement of Epsilon and/or a comparison with Emacs. But I'd like to let you know that while starting to read your comment I was looking forward to just that, and now find myself a bit disappointed that you're not sharing some reasons for your enthusiasm.

I was a big fan of Epsilon back in the days when it was an alternative to WordStar and I think I still own an original (paid) copy on floppy disks, but I'm not familiar enough (any more) with its feature set to meaningfully answer the question of what qualifies it above Emacs.

Personally, I'm considering paying $250 just for the nostalgia value. And I love fast editors with an uncluttered surface. The ability to edit arbitrarily long lines and binaries is certainly a plus. But I would appreciate, if you'd reconsider, hearing more arguments to knock me off the fence.

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#59

The GNU Emacs website does a better sales job...which is interesting because unlike this product, GNU does not even need to sell anything. When looking through the website I see Windows 95-ish screenshots, pages that say they have not been updated in over five years, and little description of what it does beyond saying it's like EMACS. No clue at all about why I should use this rather than one of the other free-beer…

> little description of what it does beyond saying it's like EMACS.

If you'd bother to read, instead of expecting a virtual salesman to spoonfeed you make-believe thrash, you'd notice that a summary of "what it does" ( http://www.lugaru.com/epsinfo.html ) and the damn manual, where you can find everything it does, not just "a little description" ( http://www.lugaru.com/pdf.html , http://www.lugaru.com/epsilon-manual.html ), are linked right on the frontpage.

Re: Epsilon Programmer's Editor

#60
post #39

I'll stick with Emacs for now. $250 is a bit heavy for those of us with little disposable income. In addition, I fail to see the advantage of this over Emacs: Emacs already has pretty much all of Epsilon's features, and a larger community. Furthermore, I highly doubt that its extensibility features are as extensive. It's kinda cool, though. Sidenote: why do I always see the HN headlines up to a day ahead in the previ…

Epsilon is very fast, like coming up in a second. Emacs takes tens of seconds up to a minute. You start Emacs and hope to never shut it down. With epsilon you can start it on a file quickly and move on.

What are you running it on? Tens of seconds... I remember that, from back when it was rumored that EMACS was an acronym for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping". 8 MB of RAM haven't been anything to brag about for a while, though, nor has emacs started in tens of seconds up to a minute.
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