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Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by nostrebored »

joveian wrote: post #50
nostrebored wrote: post #40

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Training doesn't have lifelong implications on mortality. If anything, remaining fit and active throughout your youth is probably a good thing. Sure there will be sports injuries, but those typically do not cause premature death.

Extreme exercise does have negative health effects. Here is one random discussion with some study links (found from a quick search): http://www.drjohnm.org/2012/06/cw-its-settled-long-term-extr...

These all focus on long endeavors (over 3 hours) which is not very relevant for the majority of the Olympics.

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by nostrebored »

shkkmo wrote: post #47
Pinwheeler wrote: post #33

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Should we then also make Adderal legal to be used at work?

Isn't it as long as you get a prescription?

The GPs point is that it is a stimulant that increases performance at the cost of heart health. Were we to make it legal while at work, people who were working without it would be at a disadvantage, prompting a "normal" worker to increase productivity at the expense of their health.

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by marak830 »

SonicSoul wrote: post #28

Russia’s track and field team has been barred from competing in this summer’s Rio Games because of a far-reaching doping conspiracy, an extraordinary punishment that might be without precedent in Olympics history off topic, but wow what a great opening to this article. It actually gets to the point in first sentence, and second sentence (not quoted here) states most important implications and how this news came to be…

I agree, I am often surprised(not as often as I'd like!) When articles give me the important details first, then go into an in-depth explanation.

I truly wish it was the standard :s

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by tomp »

nostrebored wrote: post #42
tomp wrote: post #39

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As opposed to forcing athletes that don't want to train to do-so in order to remain competitive?! In the end, sports competition have exactly 0 purpose in this world except for entertainment and personal feeling superiority.

It seems like somehow you've forgotten that athletes are people. And that athletes who are taking performance enhancing drugs face the adverse effects of these drugs.

No, I haven't... Exactly because they're people, that means they have agency; they can choose whether to take the drugs or not, just like everybody else!

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by School-Cotton »

dang wrote: post #49
whatsamattayou wrote: post #20

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Wrong. Track and Field are specific events on a running track, and include events on the field, like shotput and javelin. Obviously a millenial. I feel like I am wasting my time explaining it, when you could just look it up in a dictionary.

We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com.

As the guy who this was responding to, I don't think they should be banned. Most of their posting history seems fairly civil, other than this outlier.

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by gk1 »

dang wrote: post #49
whatsamattayou wrote: post #20

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Wrong. Track and Field are specific events on a running track, and include events on the field, like shotput and javelin. Obviously a millenial. I feel like I am wasting my time explaining it, when you could just look it up in a dictionary.

We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com.

Unrelated: Any idea why this submission is flagged? I don't think it's against the guidelines.

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by nostrebored »

tomp wrote: post #54
nostrebored wrote: post #42

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It seems like somehow you've forgotten that athletes are people. And that athletes who are taking performance enhancing drugs face the adverse effects of these drugs.

No, I haven't... Exactly because they're people, that means they have agency; they can choose whether to take the drugs or not, just like everybody else!

Agency is such a ridiculous argument that's been used to promote exploitation for ages. Black people just choose to participate in sharecropping, Chinese women just choose to bind their feet, women just choose to be prostitutes who get murdered at 4 times the rate of the next most dangerous jobs. It's only in retrospect that we view these as atrocities

And to pretend that this is some vacuum that athletes are making this decision in is ridiculous. Allowing steroids in competition means that you have to use steroids to compete. Were you capable of making these types of decisions as a child? Do we allow children to harm themselves or do we condemn it? Should we allow adults to do this when there is a very clear external factor that motivates them?

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by tomp »

nostrebored wrote: post #57
tomp wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I haven't... Exactly because they're people, that means they have agency; they can choose whether to take the drugs or not, just like everybody else!

Agency is such a ridiculous argument that's been used to promote exploitation for ages. Black people just choose to participate in sharecropping, Chinese women just choose to bind their feet, women just choose to be prostitutes who get murdered at 4 times the rate of the next most dangerous jobs. It's only in retrospect that we view these as atrocities And to pretend that this is some vacuum that athletes are making…

There's a big difference between someone doing a lousy, menial, humiliating or dangerous job to survive, and an athlete striving to be even better by taking drugs.

Re: Russian Track and Field Team Barred from Rio Olympics

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Post by dang »

gk1 wrote: post #56
dang wrote: post #49

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We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com.

Unrelated: Any idea why this submission is flagged? I don't think it's against the guidelines.

Users flagged it, perhaps because they thought it was more sensational controversy than intellectually interesting.
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