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Drone believed to have hit British Airways flight 'may have been a plastic bag'

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Re: Drone believed to have hit British Airways flight 'may have been a plastic bag'

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What about its weight?

More importantly, what failure modes does it have? Do you have to have GPS lock to takeoff? What if you lose it while flying? At DEFCON someone demonstrated dropping drones from the sky by spoofing GPS coordinates to inside an airport. Funny, but it guarantees I won't be buying one of them because of the potential for harm to my camera, etc.

I don't know, but Phantom have been doing it for years, so you could see how they do it.

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>Planes spend so little time within flying/control range of commonplace drones that It depends where you're talking about. Close to airports is the major issue. 2nm from the runway planes will be at 600ft, which is well within the range of drones. >Instead it will enable mission creep as more places get banned because embarrassing things, like protesters getting beaten, happen there. We're talking about voluntary geo…

> We're talking about voluntary geofencing here, by the companies themselves. That's not "voluntary" - the manufacturers are not the owners/operators of the drones.

I (obviously) meant voluntary on the part of the manufacturers. That is how Phantom do it, and it seems to work well.

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Round up a team and put it in the ApplyHN sector - that could be a really useful, pay-for-app & updates type service. Definitely has value. The target market should be able to see the cost-benefit I presume. Good thinking!

Classic HN. Jumping from someone's annoyance to "create a startup" that "definitely has value" without knowing anything about the space.

>Classic HN. Jumping from someone's annoyance to "create a startup" that "definitely has value" without knowing anything about the space.

Haha joke's on you buddy, I grew up around aviation and know that log books and maps are what pilots must always have at all times in all situations otherwise they'll get popped by the FAA. Only recently have digital devices been allowed anywhere NEAR professional cockpits, having been slowly tested in civil aviation. Thus I concluded that an expanding sector with limited knowledge of traditional expectations - airspace 'n shit - might be marketable. Watching your comment turn grey and then to vapor is more "Classic HN" to me.

Re: Drone believed to have hit British Airways flight 'may have been a plastic bag'

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Sounds like a slippery slope argument. Which governments of civilized, democratic countries have commandeered ISP's filters for questionable uses? If you're talking about the UK porn filter, it is the other way around: government has instituted a law saying they have to do it. Even if it were a law, I don't see the issue that you are arguing. You're essentially saying "I don't want a law that says drones are banned b…

> Sounds like a slippery slope argument. [...] it is the other way around: government has instituted a law saying they have to do it. Yeah, that's the point. When the technology has been demonstrated to work (even if badly) in some areas it's suddenly mandated in other areas. Now we have a technology that was so-so at blocking unwanted porn being used for everything from catching pedophiles to checking for intel leak…

>No, we don't want useless technological measures mandated that claim to block drones from airports, but fail to actually help in a real security context. Because those useless security rules have only one real purpose - banning civilians from inconvenient things.

It's not useless. Do you fly planes? If you look at the youtube video I posted elsewhere in this thread you'll see that the guy wanted to fly near the airport on the beach, but the geo fence wouldn't let him. The beach is Unfortunately we need laws like this because people aren't responsible, as that youtube video proves.

Re: Drone believed to have hit British Airways flight 'may have been a plastic bag'

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"there was no actual damage to the plane and there's indeed some speculation that it may have even been a plastic bag or something." This is an amazingly flimsy basis for a headline.

No flimsier than the original drone-claim headline.

Contrary to popular conception, most airline pilots are very poor at recognising anything that isn't in their company fleet. A few are aircraft enthusiasts, a few are bird spotters. The remainder have knowledge of unexpected flying objects no better than most laymen and a lot worse than a school-age plane spotter.

I used to run aircraft recognition training for a local cadet squadron. The 'pro-pilots' were uniformly awful.

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I guess that's how most startups get started AFAIK?

Unfortunately yes, which is why you get founders awkwardly trying to answer questions like.. "How does your product compare to X and Y that are dominating the space right now?" when they've never heard of X or Y.

> Classic HN. Jumping from someone's annoyance to "create a startup" that "definitely has value" without knowing anything about the space.

All that without specifying whether or not you have knowledge in the space. You probably should have specified X and Y are already in the space rather than assuming that someone already has taken up space there.

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I fly my quadcopter in the UK. It would be nice to have an app that told me about the airspace I was in based on my current position. However, right now I am not flying higher than 10 meters from the ground.

Foreflight[1] does something similar already but they are focused on traditional flight. This is an interesting idea. [1] https://www.foreflight.com/

Foreflight costs $99/year. There are free alternatives:

- FltPlan Go app for android and ios

- skyvector.com

I use the FltPlan Go app when flying, and skyvector.com to look at the charts from a browser.

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What a level headed response by the transport minister. I love that he acknowledges that geofencing rules will easily be circumvented. That said, I still think it's a good idea to implement. It will make it easier for casuals like me to quickly be warned when I'm venturing into forbidden areas. Sure, I could ignore it or hack around it, but at least it's an easy to implement safeguard that will keep most people away.

It is illegal for your drone to be more than 500m away from you laterally and 122m vertically.

How would you expect to hit a plane ?

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What a level headed response by the transport minister. I love that he acknowledges that geofencing rules will easily be circumvented. That said, I still think it's a good idea to implement. It will make it easier for casuals like me to quickly be warned when I'm venturing into forbidden areas. Sure, I could ignore it or hack around it, but at least it's an easy to implement safeguard that will keep most people away.

DJI products quite effectively indicate and restrict access to no fly zones. My controller starts to beep if I get within a few hundred feet of a border to a no fly zone. I haven't tested it, but I think it is supposed to come home and land if you somehow get into a no fly zone. That said, 1,700ft is so high, no fly zones don't really mean much anymore.

Drones are already forbidden by law from flying higher than 400ft.
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