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The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by walterbell »

Asbostos wrote: post #34

Weren't there also thousands of tariffs removed? The economic advantages of that might outweigh any loses from tighter copyright, and I suspect was the carrot the US used to get all the copyright concessions. Everyone wants to export to the US but the US is traditionally too protectionist. Looking on the bright side of copyright. You never have to use somebody else's copyright work. You can always just make your own…

> Weren't there also thousands of tariffs removed?

In one example, tariff reduction on some types of auto parts will move North American manufacturing jobs to Chinese factories who will be allowed to supply TPP member Japan, for export to North America.

> You never have to use somebody else's copyright work.

Some works are culturally significant, e.g. documentaries and historical fiction.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by walterbell »

joesmo wrote: post #31

What are the chances that this will not be passed by congress? Is there enough animosity that might stop this? I'm really hoping for some serious partisan bickering and ridiculous Obama hate here or is this treaty so horrible (yes it is) that our representatives intend to push it through no matter what?

A public outcry and protest could slow it down, http://www.citizen.org/documents/tpp-vote-calendar-october-2...

Timeline diagram: http://i.imgur.com/k6Je0Dz.png

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by pkinsky »

mistercow wrote: post #25
adventured wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll make fraudulent take-down notices a serious crime, and make a few high profile examples. That'll stop the vast majority of it (more sophisticated people will continue the trolling). Studios might also choose to push for an authenticated scheme instead. Their account gets certified (eg on YouTube), and content on that certified account becomes exempted. There are relatively few hollywood houses that would need…

> They'll make fraudulent take-down notices a serious crime IIRC this is already the case with the DMCA. I'm pretty sure you have to affirm under penalty of perjury that your claim is in good faith.

IIRC you only need to affirm that you believed it to be in good faith. Companies using automated takedown software regularly issue takedown requests for their own websites, google.com, etc.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by iamadam »

api wrote: post #42
EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

I see the TPP as part of the obsolescence of the nation state in favor of global corporate governance. The incompetence you mention fits in with this-- those boobs are just leftovers from the old system. The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. Not saying this is a good thing. Read any 80s cyberpunk novel to see what's coming. William Gibson…

The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by insanity55 »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #47
api wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see the TPP as part of the obsolescence of the nation state in favor of global corporate governance. The incompetence you mention fits in with this-- those boobs are just leftovers from the old system. The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. Not saying this is a good thing. Read any 80s cyberpunk novel to see what's coming. William Gibson…

The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. It doesn't tell me that at all.

go on...

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by NhanH »

iamadam wrote: post #54
api wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see the TPP as part of the obsolescence of the nation state in favor of global corporate governance. The incompetence you mention fits in with this-- those boobs are just leftovers from the old system. The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. Not saying this is a good thing. Read any 80s cyberpunk novel to see what's coming. William Gibson…

The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

Yep, I don't know what Trump will lead US into (and I don't think it will necessary be worse than any other president in this day and age). But any mainstream candidate from GOP or Democrat will certainly lead to more TPP.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by striking »

iamadam wrote: post #54
api wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see the TPP as part of the obsolescence of the nation state in favor of global corporate governance. The incompetence you mention fits in with this-- those boobs are just leftovers from the old system. The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. Not saying this is a good thing. Read any 80s cyberpunk novel to see what's coming. William Gibson…

The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

Or Bernie Sanders.

They're both creative individuals that are willing to buck the trend and change things in the way they think is right rather than toeing the party line.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by NhanH »

striking wrote: post #57
iamadam wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

Or Bernie Sanders. They're both creative individuals that are willing to buck the trend and change things in the way they think is right rather than toeing the party line.

No they are not:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stop-comparing-donald-tr...

Notably #6 in the article.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by striking »

insanity55 wrote: post #55
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. It doesn't tell me that at all.

go on...

It means people are so tired of listening to self-interested politicians toe the party line that they're willing to elect a candidate solely based on how crazy his ideas are and how much he won't backpedal on them, even in the face of adversity.

In terms of fearless leaders, he definitely is one.

Of course, I also think his ideas are mostly inane and that within fifteen minutes of his inauguration he would have already started World War III. But I can understand why people want to elect him.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by WaltPurvis »

hugh4 wrote: post #41
pjc50 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ripping Blu-rays for personal use is copyright infringement in many jurisdictions. I'm not sure whether anyone's actually been prosecuted for it though.

Same deal with videoing stuff off TV, in the days when people did that. Illegal in most jurisdictions, investigated and punished in none.

Recording TV shows with a VCR was not and is not illegal in the United States. In what jurisdictions is it (nominally) illegal?
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