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Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by hugh4 »

pjc50 wrote: post #8
walterbell wrote: post #2

KEI has a roundup of commentary on the TPP IP chapter, http://www.keionline.org/node/2335 A 6-min explainer video on TPP and ISDS, https://youtube.com/watch?v=AABOIcXZZwg HN discussion earlier today, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10359604 From the EFF article: > "One of the scariest parts of the TPP is that not only can you be made liable to fines and criminal penalties, but that any materials and implements u…

Ripping Blu-rays for personal use is copyright infringement in many jurisdictions. I'm not sure whether anyone's actually been prosecuted for it though.

Same deal with videoing stuff off TV, in the days when people did that. Illegal in most jurisdictions, investigated and punished in none.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by api »

EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

I see the TPP as part of the obsolescence of the nation state in favor of global corporate governance. The incompetence you mention fits in with this-- those boobs are just leftovers from the old system. The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead.

Not saying this is a good thing. Read any 80s cyberpunk novel to see what's coming. William Gibson was a prophet.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by walterbell »

zero-rated wrote: post #36

What about works that are already in the Public Domain but would not have qualified under the new laws? Will they revert back to the copyright holder?

It appears that NZ and Malaysia negotiated exceptions that will delay the new laws, so there will be no new public domain material for many years, but old material will not be affected. It also appears that Canada failed to negotiate such an exception, so public domain material from the past 20 years would revert.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/10/canada-caves-on-copyright...

http://beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/TPP-Q&A-Oct-2015.pdf

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by jacobolus »

EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

> The Jade Helm scare-o-tron rollout was completely botched and scrapped as far as I can tell.

Can you explain what you mean? As far as I can tell Jade Helm was a fairly routine military training exercise, which was latched onto by a group of conspiracy nuts. What’s a “scare-o-tron rollout”?

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by ehPReth »

mappu wrote: post #38
pan69 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that what current WHOIS privacy is? The way I understand it is that if you currently have WHOIS privacy enabled, technically the domain doesn't belong to you but to the registrar who is providing the WHOIS privacy.

I thought so too, but the occasional restriction (e.g. Namecheap prevent using WhoisGuard on .ca/.uk domains) makes it seem like the technique isn't generally applicable. On second glance the submitted article doesn't specifically mention WHOIS - perhaps i just read too far into it and it's only intended to stop junk data, which is a lot more defensible.

The article doesn't mention WHOIS but there's this paragraph that seems like something WHOIS-like would apply to ccTLDs at the least:

>The TPP has just ridden roughshod over that entire debate (at least for country-code top-level domains such as .us, .au and .jp), by cementing in place rules (QQ.C.12) that countries must provide “online public access to a reliable and accurate database of contact information concerning domain-name registrants.”

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by zero-rated »

walterbell wrote: post #43
zero-rated wrote: post #36

What about works that are already in the Public Domain but would not have qualified under the new laws? Will they revert back to the copyright holder?

It appears that NZ and Malaysia negotiated exceptions that will delay the new laws, so there will be no new public domain material for many years, but old material will not be affected. It also appears that Canada failed to negotiate such an exception, so public domain material from the past 20 years would revert. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/10/canada-caves-on-copyright... http://beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/T…

Thank you.

Quick clarification: when you say "public domain material from the past 20 years would revert" is that only work that originated in Canada, or for everything?

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

api wrote: post #42
EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

I see the TPP as part of the obsolescence of the nation state in favor of global corporate governance. The incompetence you mention fits in with this-- those boobs are just leftovers from the old system. The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. Not saying this is a good thing. Read any 80s cyberpunk novel to see what's coming. William Gibson…

The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead.

It doesn't tell me that at all.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by walterbell »

PeterisP wrote: post #40
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I skimmed, no. The only exception is "lawfully authorized activities carried out for the purpose of law enforcement, essential security interests, or other related governmental purposes, such as performance of statutory functions" (QQ.G.13(b)). Wonder how this fares with the EU Computer Program Directive.

There can't be any conflict between TPP and EU directives, as a bunch of very important countries participate in TPP but noone from EU.

Until TTIP and TiSA.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by walterbell »

walterbell wrote: post #43
zero-rated wrote: post #36

What about works that are already in the Public Domain but would not have qualified under the new laws? Will they revert back to the copyright holder?

It appears that NZ and Malaysia negotiated exceptions that will delay the new laws, so there will be no new public domain material for many years, but old material will not be affected. It also appears that Canada failed to negotiate such an exception, so public domain material from the past 20 years would revert. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/10/canada-caves-on-copyright... http://beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/T…

response to zero-rated:

> Quick clarification: when you say "public domain material from the past 20 years would revert" is that only work that originated in Canada, or for everything?

Ian Fleming has been used as an example, so probably everything. Nothing is certain until the Canadian text is public.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by walterbell »

api wrote: post #42
EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

I see the TPP as part of the obsolescence of the nation state in favor of global corporate governance. The incompetence you mention fits in with this-- those boobs are just leftovers from the old system. The fact that Donald Trump is being seriously considered for president should tell you that the nation state is dead. Not saying this is a good thing. Read any 80s cyberpunk novel to see what's coming. William Gibson…

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More at http://www.isdscorporateattacks.org & https://icsid.worldbank.org

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