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Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by thrance »

svieira wrote: post #386

The particularly worrying thing here is that they're now going to be gathering training data for a conversational model on _how to influence people effectively even when they already know they are being influenced_. Even more than RLFH already does. "We had to build the Torment Nexus so our children could eat" is not a good reason to build the Torment Nexus. The fact that they are not committing to not doing this tel…

I'm really worried about political ads. Google had no problem algorithmically bubbling up disinformation in the past, will Gemini now peddle straight lies for anyone willing to pay enough for them?

Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

jdw64 wrote: post #29

I wonder whose bright idea it was to label ads as 'helpful'. Do Google execs actually look for ads first when they google a question?

Google are talking to their customers; those who purchase the advertising.

They're not talking to users of the internet.

Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by gomox »

akerl_ wrote: post #482
saghm wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how nowadays the payoff of a stock seems to just be from selling it later rather than having any direct correlation to the companies finances, it's all just a Ponzi scheme based on vibes.

When was the payoff of a stock not from selling it later?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dividend

Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

jdw64 wrote: post #168
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be shocked at how many people who work on ads really do delude themselves into thinking people find ads "useful". Their usual justification is in the end somewhere tied to "people click on ads so they must find them useful". And yet somehow always ignores the fact that their platform often does all it can to hide that ads are ads and makes them look as much like content as possible.

Maybe breaking into the ad business starts with learning how to lie to yourself.

Can you imagine wanting to go into advertising? Surely it must be a last resort, or they were tricked into it, like going to work for Facebook or Google to do important bleeding edge work.

The 'advertising' part only makes sense if it seeped in small degrees at a time.

Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by [deleted] »

svieira wrote: post #386

The particularly worrying thing here is that they're now going to be gathering training data for a conversational model on _how to influence people effectively even when they already know they are being influenced_. Even more than RLFH already does. "We had to build the Torment Nexus so our children could eat" is not a good reason to build the Torment Nexus. The fact that they are not committing to not doing this tel…

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Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by ireadmevs »

samat wrote: post #470
cebert wrote: post #457

It’s good to know that Google search will essentially be useless for me moving forward.

Yeah, thank you Google for the heads up, will look for alternatives (tbh already abandoned Google long time ago, need to find a maps alternative with public transport and working hours, near impossible in small European towns, Apple Maps db here is a joke)

For public transportation I use an app called Moovit

Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by stingraycharles »

yuliyp wrote: post #476

> Now, if someone searches for an espresso machine, Gemini will pull up your most relevant products and instantly write a custom explainer highlighting why your product may be the right choice for them. This is like the essence of the evil of AI ads distilled down to one sentence. For an advertiser this is a dream. For a user this reads like getting bombarded with ads tailor made just for you based on the context of…

“For a user this reads like getting bombarded with ads tailor made just for you based on the context of what would be most effective.”

Isn’t this what the current search experience already is?

Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by globalnode »

svieira wrote: post #386

The particularly worrying thing here is that they're now going to be gathering training data for a conversational model on _how to influence people effectively even when they already know they are being influenced_. Even more than RLFH already does. "We had to build the Torment Nexus so our children could eat" is not a good reason to build the Torment Nexus. The fact that they are not committing to not doing this tel…

Its not worrying for me. This is what I expect from ad companies so I walk in prepared. What I'm more interested in is how we are going to take this new technology and give it back to people without trying to rip into them, for free. We need a Stallman / Linus of AI.

Re: We're testing new ad formats in Search and expanding our Direct Offers pilot

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Post by Henchman21 »

thrance wrote: post #491
svieira wrote: post #386

The particularly worrying thing here is that they're now going to be gathering training data for a conversational model on _how to influence people effectively even when they already know they are being influenced_. Even more than RLFH already does. "We had to build the Torment Nexus so our children could eat" is not a good reason to build the Torment Nexus. The fact that they are not committing to not doing this tel…

I'm really worried about political ads. Google had no problem algorithmically bubbling up disinformation in the past, will Gemini now peddle straight lies for anyone willing to pay enough for them?

Obviously, yes.
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