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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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joenot443 wrote: post #445
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by CMay »

derelicta wrote: post #283
achow wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Towards the end it says.. Amiry-Moghaddam of Iran Human Rights said the death toll could be higher than 20,000, based on evidence reviewed by his organization.

IHR is CIA-backed, and are thus prone to inflate these counts to justify an invasion.

The CIA is definitely operating in Iran. Nobody reasonable will deny that. Mossad is too, guaranteed. How inflated their numbers are, I don't know, but even just the confirmed numbers of dead both officially and unofficially are too high.

At this point they need to split the country so people who want to live differently can do so. Maybe that would prevent needing to bomb the Iranian government into oblivion.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by randallsquared »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #418
Shorel wrote: post #353

It seems protesting a dictatorship, of whatever kind, is pointless and dangerous. Meaning, the people should be able to defend themselves against the violence directed to them.

> It seems protesting a dictatorship, of whatever kind, is pointless and dangerous. Dangerous, probably but they can't stop us all. Pointless? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution .

Well, those are examples of revolutions against entities which were definitely not dictatorships. The British parliament stopped fighting the Americans over the objection of the King.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by mrguyorama »

vasco wrote: post #480
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

In the simplest ways also, to "fix" the situation in Iran, potentially a war has to start. To "fix" the situation in Palestine, a war has to stop. That's inherently very different.

And Donald Trump and republicans in general already want to murderfuck Iran and always have, and don't need or want my support to justify such an act, and already bombed Iran once this admin.

I don't support all that 100% but it's not like I have any advice on the matter. I certainly don't have better ideas of where to bomb Iran or how to help a populace 8000 miles away rise against their oppressors.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by busterarm »

epsters wrote: post #475
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

Don't know about who exactly are the 'leftists' you are referring to but here's my take : Palestine : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift blockade so Palestinians dont suffer. Iran : Dont send bombs. Send Aid. Lift sanctions so Iranian people dont suffer. Interested to hear your take regarding the same.

Lifting sanctions just helps the mullahs flex their power on Iranian civilians. Lifted sanctions means more suffering for Iranian people and people abroad suffering from Iran-funded terrorist groups.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by misiti3780 »

noah_buddy wrote: post #426
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

Yes, OUR government does fund Iran. Read about the Iran Nuclear deal under Obama, we gave them billions, more than we have given Israel.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-united-states-iran-an...

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by stevenwoo »

redwood wrote: post #54
caminante wrote: post #19

The source (Iran International) is backed by Saudi money and has a bias to dunk on Iran. That said, I'm sure the death count numbers from the Rasht Massacre are staggeringly higher than the initial tallies of 2-5k.

It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating

In the USA, congressional testimony about babies in Kuwaiti hospitals being killed by Iraqi soldiers was revealed to be fake to justify US military involvement in Iraq invasion of Kuwait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony There were multiple falsified reports about WMD and nuclear weapons development to justify US intervention in Iraq https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-feb-17-na-niger... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

Given the veracity of the current administration, the repeated history of the US government lying to justify military interventions (Vietnam Tonkin Gulf incident looks fake going back a little further), I think people who know a little bit of history and are paying attention have legitimate reason to want more than just one source. Whatever the number is in Iran it's terrible but there's no military intervention outside countries can do that's going to change that given Iran is already sanctioned to the gills and it's a huge country that presents many challenges - the people there are going to have to do it themselves.

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Post by pydry »

squidbeak wrote: post #280
vogre wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which also refer to unnamed sources and "U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency"(read CIA)

Why lie about this when the first paragraph is explicit about its source? > As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME

The US paid for similar information from Iraq about WMDs just before it kicked off the invasion.

Meanwhile, the US is rearranging its forces in the middle east. What a coincidence.

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Post by sysguest »

noah_buddy wrote: post #469
joenot443 wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

Again, what am I supposed to do about it? If one lives in one of most western countries, one’s government has sanctioned Iran to the gills. Even the government can do little more, except engage in war. Compare this to Palestine, where direct action and protest is much more tangibly impactful.

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