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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by SilverElfin »

dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

Here’s a post analyzing each part of the video and showing the evidence:

https://xcancel.com/adamscochran/status/2015119306086900170

They had him pinned on the ground, then someone takes a gun away from him, and AFTER THAT they put him on his knees and executed him.

Additionally, there are many other videos of the agents, taking phones away from the nearby witnesses who recorded all of this.

But the most disturbing thing is that the claims made by DHS, Trump, and Noem about what happened were completely made up. They are simply inventing a story and getting it out there as quickly as possible to refute any other competing story. It does not matter to them that this is a lie. The idea is to muddy the waters.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by SilverElfin »

nullocator wrote: post #183
starkparker wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…

Possessing a fire arm and having an encounter with law enforcement in the united states has long been a death sentence. You can find a multitude of videos online of cops doing stuff like getting the wrong address and beating on someones door and when that person opens the door with a gun in their hand and then the cops open fire, happens all the time.

But this person did not even have a gun in his hand. He had a gun on him, concealed. In fact, the video shows another ICE agent walking up to him and digging it out and taking it away. The execution happened after all of that.

The most likely situation is that he actually voluntarily told them that he has a firearm because he is a lawful gun owner with a concealed carry permit. Most gun owners know that this is the best way to interact with law-enforcement, for example, when you get pulled over. But we will not know because these agents do not wear body cams on purpose.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by ninkendo »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #473
crote wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it obvious? You were taught a lie. All the blathering about "freedom", "democracy", and "constitutional rights" is just propaganda you've been spoon-fed since you were a child. The USA has spent the last 80 years riding the wave of contributing to the victory in WWII and therefore being the "Good Guys", and most of the Western world happily played along as their political goals aligned with it. Meanwhile the US…

Nah. I was taught by the actions of neighbors. I was taught by my school becoming less segregated in California and becoming majority latino and no one caring. I was taught by my grandfather, what he did in his life, and how he lived. I was 'taught' through experiencing something good becoming more good. Get out of here with your doomerism toxicity. You talk like the non-political Russians talk about their country. T…

I just want to thank you for taking the time to reply so thoughtfully to someone who is so intent on letting it all go to shit just so they can think themselves enlightened by predicting it.

I have the same response to people who ask me why I don’t leave the country since things are going so bad: fuck that, this is my home. I will always love this country. It is never beyond saving. We have been through worse (the civil war at the very most obvious, but there are plenty of other low points.) We can get through this. We can make it better, we can learn to love our neighbor again, we can learn to trust each other again. We can learn to avoid these tendencies towards hatred. We can’t give up.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by OutOfHere »

I don't know why people are still wasting time with protests and filming. The murderous Nazis won't learn until the people of Minneapolis deal with them the way Afghans dealt with imperialist invaders in Afghanistan. There is another three-letter acronym starting with I that comes to mind.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by toomuchtodo »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #443
toomuchtodo wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_secession > The major power lever that could be used in soft secession is if a state normally giving more in taxes to the federal government than it receives back would cease to send tax revenue to the federal government. These states, which generally are blue states governed by a Democratic Party majority, could leverage finances to exert influence over the federal administration,…

US can’t default on its debts (unless it wants to) as it can by definition print US dollars.

That is factually inaccurate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-24453400.amp

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by softwaredoug »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #474
softwaredoug wrote: post #99

This is probably a good day to take time away from social media. Doom scrolling won’t do anything Instead there’s DHS funding going through Congress which could give Congress leverage to restrict ICE. To be clear ICE will still operate past the funding deadline. But Congress can create limits like mandating allowing states to investigate these crimes. Restrict who can carry firearms. Write your senators and ask them…

They passed the DHS funding. The day ICE executes a man in broad daylight by blowing his brains out from point-blank, they get an extra $10,000,000,000 in funding. America is a failed nation.

Did the Senate pass it? I think just the House did.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by toomuchtodo »

maxerickson wrote: post #294
toomuchtodo wrote: post #217

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Sure, whatever it takes. You somehow think it’s incredulous when Pornhub was deplatformed from credit card rails easily, and is still age gated in 23 states through statute. This is far worse, and laws can be made to do whatever the target outcome is. I get it, your mental model differs, and that’s fine. The tools exist and can be used. They could start by blacklisting the BIN of any federal government payment card,…

You are proposing that every customer identify themself for every transaction, and that every store verifies that identity against a state maintained list. "Stop their payment cards" just makes things a little inconvenient for the bad guys. What you are proposing makes everything very inconvenient for everyone. Mental models differ indeed.

Would you prefer if an app was provided to the public to enable facial recognition of federal agents against a database?

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by wozer »

porknubbins wrote: post #152
praptak wrote: post #131

You can never tell the breaking point of fascism but this certainly looks like it. I'm happy I don't work for a US company because I no longer think it's ethical to do so.

Most people I know, including some on the right disagree with these tactics which seem designed more to intimidate and silence opposition. Of course you’re free to work with whomever you choose but it seems like a pretty empty virtue signal to avoid all companies in a huge, diverse country

A country that elected Trump twice in spite of his obvious character flaws.

Also using the term "virtue signal" marks you as an idiot.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by slg »

dang wrote: post #411
i_cannot_hack wrote: post #395

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I think the unease many people feel here is that this strict bureaucracy taken to its extreme conclusion would become something akin to a tragicomical farce: "No posts about the controversial nukes raining over Europe allowed, such flamewars would destroy our valuable forum for discussing the really interesting and intellectual political topics". Clearly there must be a line somewhere. It was not here and today, but…

Bureaucracy? ouch! Yes, when you bring up extreme scenarios such as nuclear war (or civil war, as slg did - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46746817 ), that's a way of saying that we're fiddling-while-rome-burns, burying-head-in-sand, etc. The problem is that you're assuming your conclusion by invoking those scenarios. That doesn't make the argument stronger. I agree that the probability of such scenarios is not…

>There's another argument too, although I quake a bit at bringing it up. Suppose the truly extreme, end-of-world scenario really is coming to pass. What contribution do we make by jettisoning HN's mandate, going to war and turning the site into a battlefield, sooner rather than later? How do more posts of angry denunciations and screaming at each other move the needle on the end of the world?

This is spoken like a mere observer. The benefit of "jettisoning HN's mandate" is to prevent the worst case scenario that you depict. You and HN have power. Some of the richest and most powerful people in this country and on this planet look at this website. These stories being on the front page and people reading the comments can actually lead to change which could decrease the odds of true disaster.

People need to stop pretending that the internet isn't real. This ordeal in Minnesota is in large part because a Youtuber showed up at preschools demanding to see children because he believed some conspiracy he saw on the internet. The stuff said on the internet does have real world ramifications and I'm frankly shocked how someone in your position that has seen the world change to the degree that is has in your time as the moderator here is still falling back to the "profoundly pointless triviality of the internet message board".

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