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Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by gessha »

squigz wrote: post #184
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You really hit the nail on the head with trust. Knowing the power of these AIs and how absolutely little I trust Google, I’d never tell trust Gemini with the things I’ll say to ChatGPT.

Why do you think OpenAI is more trustworthy than Google?

For me it’s less about trustworthiness and more about what they can do with the information. Google can potentially locate, profile and influence everyone around me and I don’t want that type of power however benevolent they are.

What can OpenAI do? They can sell my data, whatever, it’s a whole bunch of prompts of me asking for function and API syntax.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by kirubakaran »

jnwatson wrote: post #456
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I don’t think “AI” as a market is “winner-takes-anything”. Seriously. AI is not a product, it’s a tool for building other products. The winners will be other businesses that use AI tooling to make better products. Does OpenAI really make sense as a chatbot company?

AI is a product when you slap an API on top and host it for other businesses to figure out a use case. In a gold rush, the folks that sell pickaxes make a reliable living.

> In a gold rush, the folks that sell pickaxes make a reliable living.

Not necessarily. Even the original gold rush pickaxe guy Sam Brannan went broke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Brannan

Sam of the current gold rush is selling pickaxes at a loss, telling the investors they'll make it up in volume.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by squigz »

gessha wrote: post #491
squigz wrote: post #184

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Why do you think OpenAI is more trustworthy than Google?

For me it’s less about trustworthiness and more about what they can do with the information. Google can potentially locate, profile and influence everyone around me and I don’t want that type of power however benevolent they are. What can OpenAI do? They can sell my data, whatever, it’s a whole bunch of prompts of me asking for function and API syntax.

Do you think Google doesn't sell that data, or that other companies don't collect and resell it?

In either case, I'm sure that's how it starts. "This company has very little power and influence; what damage can they do?"

Until, oh so suddenly, they're tracking and profiling you and selling that data.

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Post by throwup238 »

brap wrote: post #265

I think the key is that Google is the gateway to the internet for the entire world. Think about it. Whatever you’re trying to do online, either Search, Chrome or Android are in the critical path of like 90%+ of people if not more. Once AI is deeply baked into these products, which are more like the “operating system” of the internet, the race is basically over. Not to mention that Google is already sitting on the lar…

That becomes really clear when using Gemini Deep Research vs OpenAI. I tried running the same research questions in both and Google regularly reads 10x as many sources as OpenAI and does it faster.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

jofzar wrote: post #104
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I can replicate your weather one! I think it's taking "this week" extremely literally and the week ends on Saturday. Asking for "this weekend" gives Saturday and Sunday. Asking for the next few days gives 3 days out, etc . Definitely not addressing the spirit of the request.

> and the week ends on Saturday. Except it doesn't, in literally every other country other then Japan, USA and Canada it ends on Sunday. Edit: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-w... I'm wrong on the countries, it's more split then I thought. Regardless it's wrong for my geo which google knows I'm in.

Google is seemingly giving up on localization entirely. The whole world gets to be Yankee.

It's now started giving me F temperatures on my homescreen, for no particular reason. It knows I'm in Canada. I have set my units in the past to metric. What gives?

I still don't have Canadian English as a locale in Android or Chrome, after what, 15 years of Android? It's got words highlighted all over my page here as mis-spellings. They're not. I really did mean to type colour you piece of crap. I can switch to British but then get spanked for colourize instead of colourised etc.

And it seems to tie choice of English variant to things like pronounciation of words and accent for voice assistant. My car speaks to me in a British accent because I have it set to British English (the closest thing to my own spellings).

They never even tried to handle the facts of the (40M person) Canadian bilingual market. Navigation is either French or English, but many Canadian road sides are in both and it tries to read them out and butchers the pronounciations. Drive into Quebec and have your phone set to English and it's laughable what it does. (Notably doesn't do this for Spanish words in the US, which it seems to have no problem with).

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Post by famouswaffles »

ghaff wrote: post #297
amelius wrote: post #281

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The demand is there. People are already becoming addicted to this stuff.

I think the HN crowd widely overestimates how many people are even passingly familiar with the LLM landscape much less use any of the tools regularly.

Last Month, Google, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (very close to this one, likely passes it this month) were the only sites with more visits than chatgpt. Couple that with the 400M+ weekly active users (according to open ai in February) and i seriously doubt that.

https://x.com/Similarweb/status/1909544985629721070

https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/o...

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by gessha »

neuroelectron wrote: post #283
giorgioz wrote: post #45

No it's not obvious at all Google is winning AI on every front. There is few stuff Google is systemically behind: 1) UX 2) product and use case innovation I just open Google Gemini Android app and asked to generate a JS script with Gemini 2 Flash and did the same with ChatGPT. Gemini did not highlighted with colors the code. ChatGPT did highlighted with colors the code. Colors in code are extremely useful to grok the…

This is very simply a bunch of minor stuff Googlites feel like they're above implementing. They would rather let you implement that and you both get a cut.

Not like Apple’s quality is any better nowadays but Google’s unwillingness to finish their design work and provide a functional product is one of the many reasons I avoid their products like the plague.

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Post by crazygringo »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #426
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TPUs (short for Tensor Processing Units) are Google’s custom AI accelerator hardware which are completely separate from GPUs. I remember that introduced them in 2015ish but I imagine that they’re really starting to pay off with Gemini. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit

Believe it or not, I'm also familiar with Wikipedia. It reads that they're optimized for low precisio high thruput. To me this sounds like a GPU with a specific optimization.

I mean yes. But GPU's also have a specific optimization, for graphics. This is a different optimization.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by matusp »

jnwatson wrote: post #456
dcow wrote: post #367

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I don’t think “AI” as a market is “winner-takes-anything”. Seriously. AI is not a product, it’s a tool for building other products. The winners will be other businesses that use AI tooling to make better products. Does OpenAI really make sense as a chatbot company?

AI is a product when you slap an API on top and host it for other businesses to figure out a use case. In a gold rush, the folks that sell pickaxes make a reliable living.

I don't think there is anybody that is making significant amount of money by selling tokens right now.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by gessha »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #194
dtquad wrote: post #141

Google is the primary target for current US anti-big-tech sentiments that are getting political traction with Lina Khan and Steve Bannon teaming up at a recent conference against US Big Tech companies. J.D. Vance has also expressed that he agrees with Lina Khan and Steve Bannon and would like to see US Big Tech companies like Google be forcibly split up. What will happen with Google's AI wing when Google inevitably g…

Are the administration really going to risk messing with one of their leading AI companies while they are also terrified of China catching up or overtaking them in leading edge AI? I wouldn't put it past them but I don't think it's a given either.

In my opinion they should because the US doesn’t have any GPU restrictions and VCs are hungry for disruption. The US also has the tech talent pool to throw at the problem unlike in manufacturing.

After breaking up Google, there will be a lot more moats to be had vs being stifled by the Google behemoth.

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