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Google is winning on every AI front

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Google is the primary target for current US anti-big-tech sentiments that are getting political traction with Lina Khan and Steve Bannon teaming up at a recent conference against US Big Tech companies. J.D. Vance has also expressed that he agrees with Lina Khan and Steve Bannon and would like to see US Big Tech companies like Google be forcibly split up.

What will happen with Google's AI wing when Google inevitably gets split up in the next 4-8 years?

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

F500/government are conservative and tend to stick with the vendors they know, which is why Azure has gained so much traction despite being worse than AWS & GCP pretty much across the board. Trust in handling data doesn't really come into this; if anything Google has a very strong reputation for security.

> F500/government are conservative and tend to stick with the vendors they know, which is why Azure has gained so much traction Outcome is the same, but being "conservative" isn't the real reason. Adding a vendor requires compliance work, process, finance etc that it's just effort. 99% of medium-large companies use Microsoft in some form so Azure can skip all of that to some extent.

That is what he meant with conservative, ie trying to not do new things because it takes more work to change.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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May be it's my luck but I found a glaring issue with Gemini 2.5 Pro in AI Studio. I asked it whether a language feature in Zig was available. It answered yes and proceeded to generate a whole working sample code. I compiled it and got an error. Reported the error and it said the error showed I typed it wrong and asked me to make sure it's typed correctly. Eh?! It's a copy-and-paste. I confirmed again it's wrong. It t…

Generative AI makes things up so I'm surprised that you seem surprised. For some situations checking the documentation is still the best option.

I know LLM’s hallucinate. I’m surprised how convincing and how stubborn it insisted it’s right. Other LLM’s would have given up and admit they don’t know.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, as another former Googler. I worked on a team that had a relatively large amount of data access, and the amount of protection in place - technical and procedural, preventative and remedial - made me extremely comfortable giving Google basically all of my personal data, knowing that only the bare minimum would ever be looked at, and even then securely and in an anonymized or (usually) aggregated format.

as an outsider, Google is one of the companies I trust the most to prevent unintended leaks of my data, but also one of the ones I trust with my data least.

> but also one of the ones I trust with my data least.

What thing have they done with user data that you feel will negatively affect you? As far as I know people just don't like that they have a lot of data, nobody every said they did bad stuff with that data.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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I think my experience has been different from everyone else. As an owner of a pixel phone and multiple Google accounts, I wanted this to be true. But Gemini has been super inconsistent with tasks that are trivial for Google Assistant. I even bought the $26 AI plan for my account to help with some proofreading and it's been awful compared to ChatGPT. I'm about to cancel it.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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This article doesn't mention TPUs anywhere. I don't think it's obvious for people outside of google's ecosystem just how extraordinarily good the JAX + TPU ecosystem is. Google several structural advantages over other major players, but the largest one is that they roll their own compute solution which is actually very mature and competitive. TPUs are extremely good at both training and inference[1] especially at sca…

And yet google's main structural disadvantage is being google. Modern BERT with the extended context has solved natural language web search. I mean it as no exaggeration that _everything_ google does for search is now obsolete. The only reason why google search isn't dead yet is that it takes a while to index all web paged into a vector database. And yet it wasn't google that released the architecture update, it was…

> Modern BERT with the extended context has solved natural language web search.

I doubt this. Embedding models are no panacea even with a lot simpler retrieval tasks like RAG.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini 2.5 pro is not the same that powers web search (or any of the dozen other Gemini related things).

This post is claiming Google is winning on every AI front. Search summary is a front on which, as far as I can tell, no one is winning. But Google is one of the worst.

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Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Gemini 2.5 pro is as powerful as everybody says. I still also use Claude Sonnet 3.7 only because the Gemini web UI has issues... (Imagine creating the best AI and then not allowing to attach Python or C files if not renamed .txt) but the way the model is better than anyone else is a "that's another league" experience. They have the biggest search engine and YouTube to leverage the power of the AI they are developing.…

Will there be a winner at all? Perhaps it's going to be like cars where there are dozens of world class manufacturers, or like Linux, where there's just one thing, but its free and impossible to monetize directly.

>Linux, where there's just one thing, but its free and impossible to monetize directly

Redhat and SUSE are multi-billion dollar Linux distro companies.

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